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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=1>Does this mean that I should now feel free to
speculate and draw scurrilous conclusions concerning your, and others with whom
I may disagree, marriages and family life based on nothing more than the
lightweight bumper sticker opinions you present to the community on this
board? Just for the record I've been very happily married to my first wife for
33 years as of this month. Do you really think you have anything by way of an
opinion I would consider of any value concerning matrimony or, for that
matter, anything else? Think again.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=1>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=garrettmc@verizon.net href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net">Garrett
Clevenger</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 24, 2009 4:18 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Choices</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Typical g, avoiding valid
questions and spewing out a ridiculous response.</SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">The people wanting
to ban gay marriages don't want gay people to be treated as equal
citizens. They don't care about keeping religion out of our laws. While
marriage may be good enough for heteros, gay people now have to explain how
allowing them to marry would benefit society.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Who wouldn't want a gay
marriage? It's not ironic that seemingly a majority of people don't want some
people to be happily married. Makes you wonder if g is happily married, as
maybe he just doesn't want to subject gay people to the misery he's
feeling.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><BR>The state has no business
barring any two adults from entering a marriage. The fact that the main
argument against banning gay marriage is because the bible said homosexuality
is evil just shows how fanatics will usurp the 1st amendment and pass
religious based laws. That is illegal and I certainly hope the supreme court
someday is rational about that, and the stupid idea of banning gay marriage
will be overturned.<BR><BR>I'm a woman loving man. If another man is attracted
to men, it seems that is their biological drive. It makes no sense to me to
not be attracted to women so therefore gay people were probably born that way,
and deserve to have equal protection under the law. Isn't that what America is
about?</SPAN></FONT><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">While churches shouldn't be
forced to marry gay people, gay people should have the right to marry one
another and states should recognize that.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Those who want to ban gay
marriage are evil heartbreakers. How sad that they should feel so strongly
about keeping two consenting adults from commiting their lives to each other
in marriage.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Times">Gays are only wanting to love someone for
life. This commitment should be honored. To wrap this up, you bigots are
just not right.</SPAN><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: medium"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Garrett
Clevenger</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span
face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times">
<H1><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">[Vision2020]
Choices</SPAN></H1><B><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: medium">the lockshop</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: medium"> </SPAN><A title="[Vision2020] Choices"
href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Choices&In-Reply-To="><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">lockshop at
pull.twcbc.com </SPAN></A><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><BR></SPAN><I><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: medium">Fri Jul 24 15:26:29 PDT <SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: -webkit-monospace; WHITE-SPACE: pre"></SPAN></SPAN></I></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=-webkit-monospace size=3><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; WHITE-SPACE: pre"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times"><I><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: -webkit-monospace; WHITE-SPACE: pre">Since
I've done that one before Mo, why not just for fun try a different approach.
Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which you being able to
marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or society? Explain how it will be
good for children (mine or yours, assuming you have any), how it will
strenghten families, and how it won't cause large problems with regard to an
already tottering social security system. Lay out how it won't set the stage
for polygamous and polyandrous unions with all the inherent problems that will
bring. Perhaps, if nothing else, explain to me what the major tangible
benefits of it would even be for you and your partner.</SPAN></SPAN></I><PRE><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">
All the things that you claim you long for can be achieved by other legal means. It is my understanding that most states allow pretty much all accomadation to homosexual couples as they do hetro except the title, why so adamant in your insistance for a change to the status quo?
g
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From: Mo Hendrickson
To: </SPAN><A href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">lockshop at pull.twcbc.com</SPAN></A><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">
Cc: </SPAN><A href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">vision2020 at moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: medium">
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Choices
One question Gary. I am hoping you can clarify this point for me...
How would my desire to marry my partner adversely affect you?
Your marriage, I am making an assumption that you are married, has no effect on me, so why would mine have any bearing on you? Why do you advocate for denying me and my partner a legally recognized marriage?
Not that I expect an answer but I thought I would put it out there. I guess anybody who is opposed to same gender marriage could answer this question. And so we don't head down the ridiculous path of marrying goats, I am defining same gender marriage as two consenting adults.
-Mo
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