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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>#2 WRONG!!! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr id=IncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original Message-------</I></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV id=receivestrings>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Date:</B></I> 7/16/2009 9:18:51 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">Wayne Price</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Cc:</B></I> <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>; <A href="mailto:cjsnightclub@cableone.net">Shelley Roderick</A>; <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">v2020</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wayne,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Inasmuch as my original confusion came from a thread, the authorship of</DIV>
<DIV>which I attributed to someone else, I'm going to cut and paste your message</DIV>
<DIV>to me above my response to you. It may be more than you need, but bear!!!</DIV>
<DIV>with me anyway.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wayne's question: You don't see a connection between exercising power and</DIV>
<DIV>earning the</DIV>
<DIV>> right to exercise power in service to your country?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My response:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. No, actually I don't. Service to ones country is noble, certainly. And</DIV>
<DIV>those of us who have not served are enternally grateful to our husbands,</DIV>
<DIV>brothers, and sisters who have. But the right to exercise power in this</DIV>
<DIV>nation comes from election or appointment. That's what clearly separates us</DIV>
<DIV>from the nations under military rule.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wayne's comment to me: And while it has nothing to do with the smoking</DIV>
<DIV>issue per say, it has</DIV>
<DIV>> everything to do with qualifications to exercise power.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My response:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2. You and the Rodericks made it an issue in the discussion on the smoking</DIV>
<DIV>ban. My original comment was to question the legitimacy of that</DIV>
<DIV>perspective.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sue Hovey</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>From: "Wayne Price" <<A href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: "Sue Hovey" <<A href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Cc: "Tom Hansen" <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>>; "Shelley Roderick"</DIV>
<DIV><<A href="mailto:cjsnightclub@cableone.net">cjsnightclub@cableone.net</A>>; "v2020" <<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Sue,</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> You don't see a connection between exercising power and earning the right</DIV>
<DIV>> to exercise power in service to your country?</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> And while it has nothing to do with the smoking issue per say, it has</DIV>
<DIV>> everything to do with qualifications to exercise power.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Sue Hovey wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>>> Then I owe Tom an apology. And I do apologize, Tom. When I read the</DIV>
<DIV>>> emails, I did not see the W below the message and simply inferred it was</DIV>
<DIV>>> Tom's response. It was to you, Bear, I should have sent my reply. And</DIV>
<DIV>>> so I do that now. You tie legitimacy to make a decision to "give up</DIV>
<DIV>>> rights" as valid only if the policy maker has fought for those rights as</DIV>
<DIV>>> a military veteran. The Roderick email certainly sends the same</DIV>
<DIV>>> message. If a person is not supposed to draw that inference then I</DIV>
<DIV>>> see no reason for either you or the Rodericks to bring into play the</DIV>
<DIV>>> issue of veteran status.</DIV>
<DIV>>></DIV>
<DIV>>> Sue</DIV>
<DIV>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <<A href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>> To: "Sue Hovey" <<A href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>>; "Shelley Roderick"</DIV>
<DIV>>> <<A href="mailto:cjsnightclub@cableone.net">cjsnightclub@cableone.net</A></DIV>
<DIV>>> >; "v2020" <<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:52 AM</DIV>
<DIV>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council</DIV>
<DIV>>></DIV>
<DIV>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>> Sue,</DIV>
<DIV>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>> Tom wasn't the one who asked about the veteran status of the current</DIV>
<DIV>>>> council, I did, and Dan Carscallen answered me and said that 2 of the</DIV>
<DIV>>>> current members are and that he's not one of the two. Wayne Krauss is</DIV>
<DIV>>>> one</DIV>
<DIV>>>> of the two and lists it on his bio on the Moscow City Council site.</DIV>
<DIV>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>> And the reason I asked was to see if those so willing to give up rights</DIV>
<DIV>>>> and make the rules ever had to defend them. I think that it amazing</DIV>
<DIV>>>> that</DIV>
<DIV>>>> while I could get a cup of coffee and have a cigarette in Bosnia,</DIV>
<DIV>>>> Bulgaria, Estonia, Poland, Romania, Albania and several other</DIV>
<DIV>>>> countries, I</DIV>
<DIV>>>> soon may not be able to in my own home town.</DIV>
<DIV>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>> Wayne</DIV>
<DIV>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Are you saying that one has to be a veteran to make solid decisions?</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Or</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> if</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> one is not a veteran and makes a decision with which you do not agree,</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> their</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> decision is somehow less than valid because of their lack of veteran</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> status?</DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Sue H.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> ----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> To: "Shelley Roderick" <<A href="mailto:cjsnightclub@cableone.net">cjsnightclub@cableone.net</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Cc: "v2020" <<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council</DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Just a simple question that deserves a simple, yet civil, answer like</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> "yes" or "no".</DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> Tom - Why don't you call them and ask?</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> For those of you that wish to contact Moscow city council via email,</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> here</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> is</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> how you can email all council members directly with only one email.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> 1) Go to: <A href="http://www.moscow.id.us/">www.moscow.id.us/</A></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> 2) Click on the blue "council" tab.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> 3) Click on "meet the council."</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> 4) Click on "Email all council members" at the bottom of the page.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> 5) To be valid, include your full name and address for the record.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> -------Original Message-------</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> From: Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> Date: 7/14/2009 3:02:03 PM</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> To: <A href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> Cc: v2020</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> Was this email really sent to the city council?</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> The only address on it is Vision 2020.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> Moscoa, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>> Visionaries,</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>> I agree with Phil's letter below, and am hoping the listees can give</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>> me</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>> some information in regards to it.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>> How many members of the current administration are veterans?</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>> W</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> ----------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> ATTENTION: YOU ARE ENTERING A SMOKE FILLED ENVIRONMENT AND WILL BE</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> SUBJECT</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> TO SECOND HAND SMOKE! ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK! THIS ESTABLISHMENT</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> COULD</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> BE</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Twenty generations have sacrificed loved ones to fight for the</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> freedoms</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> for</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> which we are able to enjoy today. It is very sad to me when a small</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> handful</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> of people representing our city can take the blood that was shed</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> and</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> ignore</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> the sacrifices made to insure our right to, "life, liberty and</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> happiness."</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> I have flown an American flag on my building since I bought it</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> because</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> I</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> respect the blood, sweat and tears that allow me to do so. The city</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> council</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> should also respect and honor the same.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> The city should agree with the Federal Government that when a</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> person</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> turns</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> the age of 21, they have a mental capacity to make sound decisions</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> and</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> will</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> be held responsible for those decisions in a court of law. This</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> includes</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> their health. The city should not impose their "personal guidance"</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> to</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> those</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> who have just obtained the privilege of choice. They do not need to</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> baby</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> sit</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> However, they should be babysitting where smoking is allowed.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Where</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> children walk our sidewalks and play in city parks.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> In regards to "employee health," No one is forced to work in a</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> smoked</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> filled</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> environment. They came looking for a job. If they find it is not</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> for</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> them,</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> they have the right of freedom to work elsewhere. The customer has</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> a</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> right</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> to walk in my doors, or not. They even have the right to leave once</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> inside.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Liberty of choice and free will granted to us from the blood of our</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> forefathers.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> The first thing I see when I walk into city hall is a United States</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> flag.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> The last thing I see when I leave city hall is a United States</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> flag.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Let's</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> not loose what that flag stands for.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> If the city agrees to this smoking ban I would like to suggest they</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> also</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> consider an ordinance stopping the farmers from farming as it blows</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> dust</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> that I breathe that causes my asthma to flare up. Talk about a</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> health</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> issue!</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> How about bringing it up to vote when approximately 60% of Moscow's</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> citizens</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> are back in town? Let the citizens of Moscow decide. Give them the</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> opportunity to voice an opinion on their own freedoms and</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> liberties.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Let</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> the</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> majority decide. Not a handful.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> 1/3 of the bars in Moscow are non-smoking by choice. The city</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> should</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> not</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> interfere with the liberties of other bars and private clubs.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> You ask why other bar owners are not speaking up? How about</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> listening</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> to</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> the</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> ones that are. I believe in fighting for the rights and liberties</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> of</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> my</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> 24</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> employees and thousands of customers that choose to walk through my</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> doors.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> They count on me.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Bill Parks, who introduced this ordinance states, "it is a work</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> place,</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> health issue. The only place we allow really dangerous things is in</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> second</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> hand smoke." Well, how about coal mines? Gas refineries? Plastic</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> manufacturers? Paint fumes? As I understand, his company</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> manufactures</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> and</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> builds thing in Mexico. He pays his workers in pesos. Why isn't</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Moscow</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> good</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> enough for him to employ and manufacture his wares here? Could it</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> be</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> government enforced workman's comp? Minimum wage? Social Security</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> taxes?</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Not</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> to forget the OSHA laws which are not enforced in Mexico? Why Bill</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Parks</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> do</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> you choose to have your companies in Mexico? I can tell you why I</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> choose</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> to</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> have mine in Moscow, Idaho.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> The chains of slavery on business were cut in 1776. Let's not put</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> them</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> back</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> on.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Let freedom ring.</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> Phil Roderick</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>>>> cjs @turbonet</DIV>
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<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> change</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."</DIV>
<DIV>>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>> - Unknown</DIV>
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<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> change</DIV>
<DIV>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."</DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>>>>> - Unknown</DIV>
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