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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This response is nonsensical. What is the "This"
that I gave as a reason that would cause you to assume that I believe that Obama
hatred was the only way?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On a few policy's I agree with the President. Not
closing Gitmo and following Bush's lead and initiating a "surge" in
Afghanistan come immediately to mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is Brooks in error on every conservative principal?
Of course not, but when the huffington post, air america, and the nyt hold
up Brooks as their ideal for what a conservative ought to be I have a natural
(and visceral) tendency to disagree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: In
Search of Dignity</DIV>
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<DIV>This is the only reason you gave! That is not a leap of logic! I'm just
trying to follow YOUR reasoning. If you have other reasons, say what
they are. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>But that you can't accept the opinions of moderate members of your own
party is telling, IMO.<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:49 AM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David Brooks, on BHO, in his own
words:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> From an interview with <EM>The Atlantic</EM>'s Jeffrey
Goldberg</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>"... I was dazzled, I felt the tingle up my knee as Chris Matthews
would say."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> <FONT face=Arial size=2>So, the fact that I don't find David
Brooks as conservative as I might prefer, it follows that the litmus test
for true conservatism must be hatred of the president? </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Another leap of logic that, as you never tire
of reminding us, only a professional master of the subject could
make.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: In
Search of Dignity</DIV>
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<DIV>Brooks thinks that Obama is a model of dignity. He's not in awe of
Obama he just thinks he has dignity. So that makes him NOT a
conservative!?!? It seems to follow that you have to hate Obama to be a
true conservative. That is extreme, too extreme to appeal to the majority
of voters.</DIV>
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<DIV>I might have stated the obvious but somehow you still don't get
it! <BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:16 PM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh yes, I read the article. I would have
thought that almost anyone who has followed Mr. Brooks' career would be
well aware of why I might have used the descriptives that I did. Sorry
if you're new to the subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding the most recent elective
outcomes, thank you so very much for your emphatic statement of the
all too obvious. You have finally found an area at which you might
truly excel! Since Brooks seems to stand in awe of your
deity of the moment, it really seems inappropriate to refer to him as
conservative, moderate or otherwise and it wouldn't seem to matter much
to me whether he's offended or not. As a BHO supplicant, he's part of
the problem and none of the solution.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 08, 2009
7:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
NYTimes: In Search of Dignity</DIV>
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<DIV>Did you read the Huffington Post article, Crabtree? It was pretty
funny but I don't see any mention of Brooks being a "liberal lapdog"
or having "quasi-conservative credentials." Where did you get that
from? Maybe he's not offensive or narrow-minded enough to fit your
definition! </DIV>
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<DIV>But guess what? Repubican's LOST the last election for the White
House and Democrats now have a super-majority in congress. So you
might consider not offending the few moderate conservatives who
haven't jumped the sinking ship. Or perhaps not! Palin in
2012! <BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:42 PM, "the lockshop" <<A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"></A><A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On becoming a liberal lap dog with
quasi-conservative credentials. From the huffington
post:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/become-david-brooks-in-an_b_227346.html"></A><A
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/become-david-brooks-in-an_b_227346.html"></A><A
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/become-david-brooks-in-an_b_227346.html"><A
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/become-david-brooks-in-an_b_227346.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/become-david-brooks-in-an_b_227346.html</A></A></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 07, 2009
12:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020]
NYTimes: In Search of Dignity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>From The New York Times:<BR><BR>OP-ED COLUMNIST: In Search of
Dignity<BR>
<DIV id=byline>By <A
href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/davidbrooks/index.html?inline=nyt-per">DAVID
BROOKS</A></DIV><BR><BR>The old dignity code that George
Washington once followed has not survived modern life. Every week
there are new scandals featuring people who simply do not know how
to act....<BR><BR><A
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href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/opinion/07brooks.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/opinion/07brooks.html</A></A><BR><BR>Get
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