<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div>This is funny. Both you and Paul have suggested I'm biased because of my claims about Fox news. Then you both admit you don't watch it! <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373); "></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373); ">Holy crap, Dan!</span></div><div><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Jun 14, 2009, at 3:09 PM, "Dan Carscallen" <<a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">Andreas,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">That may be
the case, or maybe just your opinion (see my tongue in my cheek there?).<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">Ironically,
you probably know more about – and watch more of – Fox News than I
do. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You must, because you know more
about them. I’ve never stopped on the channel (except maybe during
election time when comparing the different results each network seems to have).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">I get my TV news
from <span class="SpellE">Kalae</span> Chock and Mike Gonzales, with a bit of
weather from Mark Petersen, every morning at </span></font><st1:time hour="5" minute="0"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">5 am</span></font></st1:time><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>So, if you want to argue channel 2 vs. 4
vs. 6, I’ll stand by channel 4 all the way. Even if Rick Lukens is
something of a goob.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">So there’s
that . . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="maroon" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon">DC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Andreas Schou
[<a href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">mailto:ophite@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, June 14, 2009</span></font></st1:date><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font><st1:time hour="14" minute="54"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma">2:54 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Dan Carscallen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes:
The Big Hate</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dan --<br>
<br>
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fox News, however, seems to believe
that everyone is also entitled to their own facts.<br>
<br>
-- ACS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On </span></font><st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009">Sun, Jun 14, 2009</st1:date> at <st1:time hour="14" minute="46">2:46
PM</st1:time>, Dan Carscallen <<a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Joe,<br>
<br>
I think people are entitled to their opinion.<br>
<br>
I don't necessarily have to agree with their opinion. Nor do I have to<br>
agree with yours.<br>
<br>
As Paul wondered earlier, why do we have to draw lines in the sand? Why<br>
must we search for divisiveness? I'd just as soon get along.<br>
<font color="#888888"><span style="color:#888888"><br>
DC<br>
</span></font><br>
p.s. my initial post was lighthearted in nature. I thought you'd
"get"<br>
it. Sunil and Carl would have!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joe Campbell [mailto:<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a>]<br>
Sent: </span></font><st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009">Sunday, June 14,
2009</st1:date> <st1:time hour="14" minute="27">2:27 PM</st1:time><br>
To: Dan Carscallen<br>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate<br>
<br>
Is it that I'm biased or that you are too afraid to buck the <st1:city><st1:place>Wilson</st1:place></st1:city><br>
camp for fear of losing votes?<br>
<br>
Well, we can test it.<br>
<br>
Don't you think that <st1:city><st1:place>Wilson</st1:place></st1:city>'s
revisionism about <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
slavery is just as<br>
bad as the denial of the holocaust; if not, why not?<br>
<br>
My guess is you won't answer this question -- which is a bit of the<br>
very problem I'm trying to note.<br>
<br>
Joe Campbell<br>
<br>
On <st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009">Jun 14, 2009</st1:date>, at <st1:time hour="13" minute="27">1:27 PM</st1:time>, "Dan Carscallen" <<a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a></a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Joe,<br>
><br>
> Your bias is showing.<br>
><br>
> DC<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a></a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a></a>]
On Behalf Of Joe Campbell<br>
> Sent: <st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009">Sunday, June 14, 2009</st1:date>
<st1:time hour="13" minute="21">1:21 PM</st1:time><br>
> To: g. crabtree<br>
> Cc: <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate<br>
><br>
> I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not<br>
> mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.<br>
> Nor do I expect someone who defends <st1:city><st1:place>Wilson</st1:place></st1:city>'s
book in slavery to be<br>
> able to notice how offensive Fox is.<br>
><br>
> Joe Campbell<br>
><br>
> On <st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009">Jun 14, 2009</st1:date>, at <st1:time hour="10" minute="41">10:41 AM</st1:time>, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,<br>
>> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery<br>
>> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put<br>
>> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its
"information" then<br>
>> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.<br>
>><br>
>> g<br>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a><br>
>>><br>
>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>><br>
>> Cc: "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>;
<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>><br>
>> Sent: <st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009">Sunday, June 14, 2009</st1:date>
<st1:time hour="5" minute="41">5:41 AM</st1:time><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> Paul,<br>
>>><br>
>>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're<br>
>>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from<br>
>>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post<br>
>>> with some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me
as<br>
>>> irresponsible since it just muddys the water. Not every<br>
>>> organization is biased in the way Fox is. Someone needed to
point<br>
>>> that out and I did so. That is all there is to it. I made no<br>
>>> comments about conservative news organizations in general,
just<br>
>>> the one bad apple.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Joe Campbell<br>
>>><br>
>>> On <st1:date month="6" day="14" year="2009">Jun 14, 2009</st1:date>,
at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
>>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks
like you<br>
>>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox
News.<br>
>>>>> What a joke!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
All I<br>
>>>> said was that all news has bias. That includes both the
NY Times<br>
>>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias<br>
>>>> relative to each other.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You've drawn a line in the sand. There is a
"right" that watches<br>
>>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only
the NY<br>
>>>> Times. The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as
a line.<br>
>>>> If you really look at it, the right and left ideologies
cover so<br>
>>>> much territory that you can't help but agree with a few
concepts<br>
>>>> "across the line".<br>
>>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country,
we<br>
>>>> have to throw that crap out the window. All of us have
to do<br>
>>>> this. Instead of looking for where we might agree,
we're<br>
>>>> highlighting the differences.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Paul<br>
>>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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