Gary --<div><br></div><div>... but that people that believe that slavery was beneficial should be welcomed fully into the company of "your side" and defended at any opportunity. Right?</div><div><br></div><div>-- ACS<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:27 PM, g. crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think that it should go without saying that I
believe that slavery was wretched and needed to come to an end and
that the holocaust actually occurred. I think I have made it painfully clear
what I think you said that was blatantly false.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><font color="#888888">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background:#e4e4e4;font:10pt arial"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Paul Rumelhart</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com%3E" target="_blank"><vision2020@moscow.com></a> </div>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:06 PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The
Big Hate</div>
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<div>Just tell me what your views are and what I said that was false. The fact
that you won't reject slavery revisionism is telling otherwise.<br><br>Joe
Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:25 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I don't give two hoots in hell about your
appology. I'm "suggesting" that you can't back up your repeated assertion
regarding my views on slavery and the holocaust and that you are now trying
to shift the discussion in an effort to avoid owning up to it. Believe me
when I say this comes as no suprise.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background:#e4e4e4;font:10pt arial"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Paul Rumelhart</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com%3E" target="_blank"><</a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:17
PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes:
The Big Hate</div>
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<div>Gary,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Are you suggesting that you never defended Wilson, or his views on
slavery? Do you think Wilson's views are as crazy as those of the
holocaust denier? If so, then say so and I'll issue an appology!</div>
<div><br>Joe Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:40 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm still waiting for you to back up the
"defends Wilson's book in slavery" and "my saying that "slavery wasn't
so bad" or that the holocaust never happened." </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Seems odd that you would be so adamant that
others move mountains to back up their remarks (even though you
disregard it when they do) and yet fecklessly refuse to do so yourself.
Not much for accountability are ya?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cc: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21
PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big
Hate</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">>I haven't heard of half these people. Of these,
most are not <br>> mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they
are not as bad as Fox. <br>> Nor do I expect someone who
defends Wilson's book in slavery to be <br>> able to notice how
offensive Fox is.<br>> <br>> Joe Campbell<br>> <br>> On Jun
14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">> <br>> wrote:<br>
> <br>>> If you imagine
that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews, <br>>>
Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery
<br>>> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris
doesn't put <br>>> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin
on its "information" then <br>>> you're even thicker than I
previously imagined. No mean feat, that.<br>>><br>>>
g<br>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"
<</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">
<br>>> ><br>>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>
>> Cc: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM<br>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big
Hate<br>>><br>>><br>>>>
Paul,<br>>>><br>>>> And what does this have to do with
anything I've said? You're <br>>>> obviously
reading something into my post that I did not
say.<br>>>><br>>>> Fox news is a disgusting example of
bias, different in degree from <br>>>> any other news
organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post
<br>>>> with some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes
me as <br>>>> irresponsible since it just muddys
the water. Not every <br>>>> organization is biased in
the way Fox is. Someone needed to point <br>>>>
that out and I did so. That is all there is to it. I made no
<br>>>> comments about conservative news organizations in
general, just <br>>>> the one bad
apple.<br>>>><br>>>> Joe
Campbell<br>>>><br>>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM,
Paul Rumelhart <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">> <br>>>>
wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> Joe Campbell
wrote:<br>>>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing
with Paul. Folks like you <br>>>>>> have got
him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
<br>>>>>> What a
joke!<br>>>>><br>>>>> Nowhere did I say that the
NY Times is as bad as Fox News. All I
<br>>>>> said was that all news has bias. That
includes both the NY Times <br>>>>> and Fox
News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias
<br>>>>> relative to each
other.<br>>>>><br>>>>> You've drawn a line in
the sand. There is a "right" that watches
<br>>>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads
only the NY <br>>>>> Times. The truth is,
that line doesn't really exist as a line.
<br>>>>> If you really look at it, the right and left
ideologies cover so <br>>>>> much territory that
you can't help but agree with a few concepts <br>>>>>
"across the line".<br>>>>> If we're ever going to come
back together again as a country, we <br>>>>>
have to throw that crap out the window. All of us have to do
<br>>>>> this. Instead of looking for where we
might agree, we're <br>>>>> highlighting the
differences.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Paul<br>>>>><br>>><br>>><br>></font>
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