<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Gary,</div><div><br></div><div>Are you suggesting that you never defended Wilson, or his views on slavery? Do you think Wilson's views are as crazy as those of the holocaust denier? If so, then say so and I'll issue an appology!</div><div><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:40 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm still waiting for you to back up the "defends
Wilson's book in slavery" and "my saying that "slavery wasn't so bad" or that
the holocaust never happened." </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Seems odd that you would be so adamant that others
move mountains to back up their remarks (even though you disregard it when they
do) and yet fecklessly refuse to do so yourself. Not much for accountability are
ya?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cc: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big
Hate</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">>I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not
<br>> mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as
Fox. <br>> Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery
to be <br>> able to notice how offensive Fox is.<br>> <br>> Joe
Campbell<br>> <br>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree"
<</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>
<br>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann,
Madow, and Mathews, <br>>> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer
funded NPR with Jeffery <br>>> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross
and Michele Norris doesn't put <br>>> a particularly and decidedly
liberal spin on its "information" then <br>>> you're even thicker
than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.<br>>><br>>>
g<br>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2"> <br>>>
><br>>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>>
Cc: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM<br>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
NYTimes: The Big Hate<br>>><br>>><br>>>>
Paul,<br>>>><br>>>> And what does this have to do with
anything I've said? You're <br>>>> obviously reading
something into my post that I did not say.<br>>>><br>>>> Fox
news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from
<br>>>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's
post <br>>>> with some claim that "Everyone does it"
strikes me as <br>>>> irresponsible since it just muddys
the water. Not every <br>>>> organization is biased in the
way Fox is. Someone needed to point <br>>>> that out and I
did so. That is all there is to it. I made no <br>>>>
comments about conservative news organizations in general, just
<br>>>> the one bad apple.<br>>>><br>>>> Joe
Campbell<br>>>><br>>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul
Rumelhart <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>
<br>>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> Joe Campbell
wrote:<br>>>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul.
Folks like you <br>>>>>> have got him convinced that
the NY Times is as bad as Fox News. <br>>>>>> What a
joke!<br>>>>><br>>>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY
Times is as bad as Fox News. All I <br>>>>> said
was that all news has bias. That includes both the NY Times
<br>>>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of
bias <br>>>>> relative to each
other.<br>>>>><br>>>>> You've drawn a line in the
sand. There is a "right" that watches <br>>>>>
only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
<br>>>>> Times. The truth is, that line doesn't really
exist as a line. <br>>>>> If you really look at
it, the right and left ideologies cover so <br>>>>> much
territory that you can't help but agree with a few concepts
<br>>>>> "across the line".<br>>>>> If we're ever
going to come back together again as a country, we
<br>>>>> have to throw that crap out the window. All of us
have to do <br>>>>> this. Instead of looking for
where we might agree, we're <br>>>>> highlighting the
differences.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Paul<br>>>>><br>>><br>>><br>></font>
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