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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Whose memory needs a tune up? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A very small sample from the November '08 archive.
Topics which any reasonable person would have to agree were timely, contained
information that was pertinent to the discussion, and were not ad hominem
attacks on any member of this forum.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058771.html">[Vision2020]
Murdoch says Obama win could worsen financial crisis: report </A><A
name=58771> </A> <I>No Weatherman </I>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058772.html">[Vision2020]
Obama's New Attack on Those Who Don't Want Higher Taxes: ‘Selfishness’ </A><A
name=58772> </A> <I>No Weatherman </I>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058773.html">[Vision2020]
Obama aunt from Kenya living in US illegally </A><A name=58773> </A> <I>No
Weatherman </I>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058777.html">[Vision2020]
Obama says he didn't know aunt's illegal status — and he still has not proven
his own “natural born citizen” status </A><A name=58777> </A> <I>No
Weatherman </I>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058778.html">[Vision2020]
$800,000 to ACORN — $700,000 for stage props: CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN </A><A
name=58778> </A> <I>No Weatherman </I></LI>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058839.html">[Vision2020]
Has Obama Overplayed the Race Card? </A><A name=58839> </A> <I>No
Weatherman </I></LI>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058878.html">[Vision2020]
Obama's Hug-a-Thug Crime Policy </A><A name=58878> </A> <I>No Weatherman
</I></LI>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058929.html">[Vision2020]
crowd boos Obama </A><A name=58929> </A> <I>No Weatherman </I></LI>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/058962.html">[Vision2020]
Everything You Wanted to Know About the Obama Online Fundraising Scandal in Less
Than 5 Minutes! </A><A name=58962> </A> <I>No Weatherman </I></LI>
<LI><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-November/059012.html">[Vision2020]
Obama’s homies (Black Panthers) intimidating whites at the polls </A><A
name=59012> </A> <I>No Weatherman </I></LI></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps you could check with "bear." He apparently
knows some brain mechanics in Spokane who could help you with your selective
memory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com
href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com">Gray Tree Crab aka Big
Bertha</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] love letters or
a desperate cry for attention?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Yipes your memory is bad. You should get that checked!<BR><BR>Joe
Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:26 PM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My recollection is that at that time we were
discussing OBL (at that time still BHO) and the upcoming election.
Weather guy was providing, among other things, selected items of
interest from a variety of sources, many of which you seemed to find
uncomfortable but which were very much on topic. I'm not sure what "ad
hominems" you might be referring to but if there's anything I've learned
over the years on this list it's that you've precious
little aversion to sacrificing accuracy for expediency and that you
often mistake a view point you disagree with for an attack.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com
href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com">Gray Tree Crab aka
Big Bertha</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] love
letters or a desperate cry for attention?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Right! I asked the same question when your friend was harrassing the
V! Of course, at the time you seemed to think Dr. No's ad hominems were
legit! <BR><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:59 AM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So why don't you explain for us the
argument that matters in the post in question? That said, I still
believe that the sad and lonely Bertha has the right to do what she
does. Eventually she'll meet someone nice and her obsession with me will
wayne.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com
href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com">Gray Tree Crab
aka Big Bertha</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 29, 2009
9:57 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] love
letters or a desperate cry for attention?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Gary: Do you forget your defence of No Whetherman (hah, hah)? I
think it was, Names don't matter, arguments do!<BR><BR>Joe
Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 29, 2009, at 5:46 PM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My Dearest Bertha, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get that you aren't interested in
contributing to the discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get that you are not swayed by my
suave good looks and worldly charm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get that my powerful intellect and
rapier wit bounce off you seemingly unnoticed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In fact, I am coming to believe that
you imagine you don't really care for me at all. (wink,
wink)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All of these things I can
understand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I can't understand is why you are
frightened of me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The waifish Ms. Lund delights in
spitting in my eye.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The diminutive Ms. Mix gleefully reads
me the riot act.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The delicate Ms. Hovey never hesitates
to point out my failings as she sees them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And all of them do it over their very
own real life names.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What could I have done to scare you
into hiding?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Many of my most vocal critics on this
forum have actually spoken with me face to face and emerged none the
worse for wear.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What could I have done to cause you to
cower so?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What horror could I have inflicted on
you that leaves you with no recourse but to hurl pitifully
weak epithets from the safe harbor of anonymity?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Or could it be that you
simply yearn to be noticed? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com
href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com">Gray Tree
Crab aka Big Bertha</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 29,
2009 7:17 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Habeas
Corpus at Bagram</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"
size=2>The village locksmith said:<BR><BR></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>"My goodness isn't the nascent
little ambulance chaser cute when he gets all up on his hind
legs and brays about how others should be ashamed?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reason that I don't "defend
torture" is because that I see no compelling need to. As
I've said before, I do not believe that waterboarding is torture,
I do not believe that the previous administration had a policy
promoting the use of torture, and I don't think that your
pretending to be the arbiter of all that is
righteous, pure and holy necessitates my responding to every
idle quack and query that's directed my way. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now how's about you knock it off with
the phony shame routine and save it for closing arguments in kiddy
court alright?"<BR><BR><FONT size=2><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif">Before anyone
criticizes the lonely locksmith over this only apparently puerile
outburst, they need to understand the pressure he is
under.</SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif">His business is so busy
that he is constantly on edge. In fact, it is so busy that
he may have to expand into the next door laundromat. As one
of the area's leading entrepreneurs and entrepreneurial
philosophers, he is to be cheered for his daring and incisive
business acumen in these hard times.</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif">He is our leader.
Cut him some slack if he seems irrational and childish. He
is going where few dare to go.</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><FONT
size=2></FONT><BR> </DIV>-- <BR>Gray Tree Crab aka "Big
Bertha"<BR>
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