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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My recollection is that at that time we were
discussing OBL (at that time still BHO) and the upcoming election.
Weather guy was providing, among other things, selected items of interest
from a variety of sources, many of which you seemed to find uncomfortable
but which were very much on topic. I'm not sure what "ad hominems" you
might be referring to but if there's anything I've learned over the years on
this list it's that you've precious little aversion to
sacrificing accuracy for expediency and that you often mistake a view point you
disagree with for an attack.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com
href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com">Gray Tree Crab aka Big
Bertha</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] love letters or
a desperate cry for attention?</DIV>
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<DIV>Right! I asked the same question when your friend was harrassing the V!
Of course, at the time you seemed to think Dr. No's ad hominems were legit!
<BR><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 30, 2009, at 5:59 AM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So why don't you explain for us the argument
that matters in the post in question? That said, I still believe that
the sad and lonely Bertha has the right to do what she does. Eventually
she'll meet someone nice and her obsession with me will wayne.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com
href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com">Gray Tree Crab aka
Big Bertha</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] love
letters or a desperate cry for attention?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Gary: Do you forget your defence of No Whetherman (hah, hah)? I think
it was, Names don't matter, arguments do!<BR><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 29, 2009, at 5:46 PM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My Dearest Bertha, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get that you aren't interested in
contributing to the discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get that you are not swayed by my suave
good looks and worldly charm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get that my powerful intellect and rapier
wit bounce off you seemingly unnoticed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In fact, I am coming to believe that
you imagine you don't really care for me at all. (wink,
wink)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All of these things I can
understand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I can't understand is why you are
frightened of me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The waifish Ms. Lund delights in
spitting in my eye.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The diminutive Ms. Mix gleefully reads me
the riot act.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The delicate Ms. Hovey never hesitates to
point out my failings as she sees them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And all of them do it over their very own
real life names.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What could I have done to scare you into
hiding?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Many of my most vocal critics on this forum
have actually spoken with me face to face and emerged none the worse for
wear.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What could I have done to cause you to
cower so?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What horror could I have inflicted on you
that leaves you with no recourse but to hurl pitifully
weak epithets from the safe harbor of anonymity?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Or could it be that you simply yearn
to be noticed? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com
href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com">Gray Tree Crab
aka Big Bertha</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 29, 2009
7:17 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Habeas
Corpus at Bagram</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"
size=2>The village locksmith said:<BR><BR></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>"My goodness isn't the nascent little
ambulance chaser cute when he gets all up on his hind legs and
brays about how others should be ashamed?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reason that I don't "defend torture"
is because that I see no compelling need to. As I've said
before, I do not believe that waterboarding is torture, I do not
believe that the previous administration had a policy promoting the
use of torture, and I don't think that your pretending to
be the arbiter of all that is righteous, pure and holy
necessitates my responding to every idle quack and query
that's directed my way. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now how's about you knock it off with the
phony shame routine and save it for closing arguments in kiddy court
alright?"<BR><BR><FONT size=2><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif">Before anyone criticizes
the lonely locksmith over this only apparently puerile outburst, they
need to understand the pressure he is under.</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif">His business is so busy
that he is constantly on edge. In fact, it is so busy that he
may have to expand into the next door laundromat. As one of the
area's leading entrepreneurs and entrepreneurial philosophers, he is
to be cheered for his daring and incisive business acumen in these
hard times.</SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif">He is our leader. Cut
him some slack if he seems irrational and childish. He is going
where few dare to go.</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,serif"><FONT
size=2></FONT><BR> </DIV>-- <BR>Gray Tree Crab aka "Big
Bertha"<BR>
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