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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And you are deliberately conflating the
mistreatment of prisoners by individuals with administration policy regarding
interrogation techniques.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Throwing in the emotional nonsense about "shame"
and "cowardice" is simply a cheap ploy to add a little impact to your muddled
point and it's tiresome.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ophite@gmail.com href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lfalen@turbonet.com
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Habeas Corpus
at Bagram</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM, g. crabtree <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><I>you
admit that torture happened while denying that anyone in particular (even
the lawyers who set the bar at "pain equal to that caused by death;" even
the political figures who compelled them to produce that opinion) is
responsible for it.<FONT face=Arial size=2>"</FONT></I></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wrong. I admit that some detainees may
have been mistreated and abused. I do not admit that prisoners were
tortured as an act of administrative policy. Endlessly mischaracterizing my
position is not productive.</FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>How does what you're saying differ from how I characterized
it?<BR><BR>So, what you're saying is that torture occurred, and that the bar
for torture was set so high that no act that did not risk death could meet it,
but that no one is responsible for it, should be punished for it, and that no
one should ever investigate what took place. You have also evaded every last
one of my questions as to what you actually believe occurred. You are
doing this because you can't find facts to substantiate your version of
events. <BR><BR>It's intellectual cowardice that rivals your moral
cowardice.<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR> </DIV></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>