<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Does my calling someone a hypocrite require that I have never been one? There is a fallacy here.</div><div><br></div><div>But I will give you the point that Gary is entitled to say what he means, just as I was. I did not mean to suggest otherwise.</div><div><br></div><div>And I'll give you the point that I have had far worse posts than this one by Gary -- actually his was rather poetic, which I appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>But to compare Big Bertha to Know Whether, Man (this is even funnier) is a bit of a stretch, no?<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Apr 29, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Andreas Schou <<a href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Joe --<br><br>No real criticism here, but: do you remember your attacks on No Weatherman? Just saying: the reason this sort of thing has two sides is that neither is required to police their own hypocrisy. <br><br>-- ACS<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Joe Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Gary: Do you forget your defence of No Whetherman (hah, hah)? I think it was, Names don't matter, arguments do!<br><font color="#888888"><br>Joe Campbell</font></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<div><br>On Apr 29, 2009, at 5:46 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">My Dearest Bertha, </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I get that you aren't interested in contributing to
the discussion.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I get that you are not swayed by my suave good
looks and worldly charm.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I get that my powerful intellect and rapier wit
bounce off you seemingly unnoticed.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">In fact, I am coming to believe that
you imagine you don't really care for me at all. (wink,
wink)</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">All of these things I can understand.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What I can't understand is why you are frightened
of me.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The waifish Ms. Lund delights in spitting in
my eye.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The diminutive Ms. Mix gleefully reads me the riot
act.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The delicate Ms. Hovey never hesitates to point out
my failings as she sees them.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">And all of them do it over their very own real life
names.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What could I have done to scare you into
hiding?</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Many of my most vocal critics on this forum have
actually spoken with me face to face and emerged none the worse for
wear.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What could I have done to cause you to cower
so?</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">What horror could I have inflicted on you that
leaves you with no recourse but to hurl pitifully weak epithets from the
safe harbor of anonymity?</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Or could it be that you simply yearn to be
noticed? </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">g</font></div></div>
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<b>From:</b>
<a title="gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com" href="mailto:gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gray Tree Crab aka Big
Bertha</a> </div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:17
AM</div>
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<div><br></div><font style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" size="2">The
village locksmith said:<br><br></font>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"><br>"My goodness isn't the nascent little
ambulance chaser cute when he gets all up on his hind legs and brays
about how others should be ashamed?</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The reason that I don't "defend torture" is
because that I see no compelling need to. As I've said before, I do not
believe that waterboarding is torture, I do not believe that the previous
administration had a policy promoting the use of torture, and I don't
think that your pretending to be the arbiter of all that is
righteous, pure and holy necessitates my responding to every idle quack
and query that's directed my way. </font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Now how's about you knock it off with the phony
shame routine and save it for closing arguments in kiddy court
alright?"<br><br><font size="2"><br><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">Before anyone criticizes the lonely
locksmith over this only apparently puerile outburst, they need to understand
the pressure he is under.</span><br style="font-family: times new roman,serif;"><br style="font-family: times new roman,serif;"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">His business is so busy that he is
constantly on edge. In fact, it is so busy that he may have to expand
into the next door laundromat. As one of the area's leading
entrepreneurs and entrepreneurial philosophers, he is to be cheered for his
daring and incisive business acumen in these hard times.</span><br style="font-family: times new roman,serif;"><br style="font-family: times new roman,serif;"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">He is our leader. Cut him
some slack if he seems irrational and childish. He is going where few
dare to go.</span><br style="font-family: times new roman,serif;"><br style="font-family: times new roman,serif;"></font></font></div>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,serif;"><font size="2"></font><br> </div>-- <br>Gray Tree Crab aka "Big Bertha"<br>
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