<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>It is not a plan. It is an argument about fairness. I don't see it having any chance of happening, nor am I trying to make it happen.</div><div><br></div><div>My point is only that it would be the fair thing to do and that it is a better idea than the idea of asking state employees to shoulder the burden alone.</div><div><br></div><div>Think of it this way. Would you ever give up 3% of your pay to another locksmith who was afraid of losing his job? No. But when you ask all state employees to give 3% of their pay to help the some who are in danger of loosing their jobs, you are in effect asking folks to do something similar.</div><div><br></div><div>The main point of my posts is that this is a bad and unfair plan. Maybe my "plan" is bad too but at least it is fair!<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Apr 29, 2009, at 6:16 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The point, originally, was that imposing additional
tax on people who are already taking a hit from the economic down turn so that
state employees won't be forced to do the same was a poorly conceived plan.
Everything else was you being simple.</font></div>
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<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="smith@turbonet.com" href="mailto:smith@turbonet.com">a</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:40
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty
Union Responds to Financial Crisis</div>
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<div>You are distorting my point, which was a simple one.<br><br>Joe
Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Apr 28, 2009, at 7:40 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font size="2"><em>"</em></font><font size="3"><em>If you can't see a
connection between the anti-tax rhetoric of <br>teabaggers like
yourself and the fact that staff at UI and WSU will <br>lose their
jobs soon, that is not my fault."</em></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Once again you attempt to shift the argument to
new ground. (a familiar, albeit clumsy, tactic) So be it, please point
out how those of us who were expressing our dissatisfaction with federal
spending on 15 April caused the budget shortfall that has brought about the
need to implement cut backs at the local universities today. Please explain
how being unhappy that Our Beloved Leader will increase the deficit by 2.3
trillion dollars has anything to do with the current need for 3%
cut to employees wages to keep the '09/10 budget in check. </font><font face="Arial" size="2">Please show me the big tax reduction that protesters
rammed down the throat of legislators in Boise that will necessitate the
mass lay offs you speak of.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The FACT that tax revenue in Idaho is down and
cuts need to be made has nothing to do with the events of two weeks ago.
Trying to bring it in as a factor is disingenuous. Or were you shooting
for some sort of primal cave man logic?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">taxes = all that is good (puppies, jobs, world
peace)</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">people in favor of less tax = all that is evil
(cancer, unemployment, terrorism)</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If so, congratulations. Who could argue with
reasoning like that.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cc: "a" <</font><a href="mailto:smith@turbonet.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">smith@turbonet.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:44
PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union
Responds to Financial Crisis</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">> The problem is a problem about state employees, Crabtree. Most
of the <br>> money for the salaries at issue comes from state
revenues.<br>> <br>> If you can't see a connection between the
anti-tax rhetoric of <br>> teabaggers like yourself and the fact
that staff at UI and WSU will <br>> lose their jobs soon, that is
not my fault, and I will not pay the <br>> price for your
ignorance, at least not alone.<br>> <br>> The connection is really
very simple: these are some of the ways in <br>> which your tax
dollars are used, to pay the salaries of Roger's wife, <br>> Paul,
and folks like myself. When you reduce taxes, many such people
<br>> -- of which there are a lot in the area -- lose their jobs. This
is <br>> OUR problem, not my problem.<br>> <br>> Joe
Campbell<br>> <br></font><font face="Arial" size="2">=======================================================<br></font><font face="Arial" size="2">=======================================================<br>></font>
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