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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No,
I believe this was an actual mandatory furlough, according to my friend. She’s
been at the university for her entire career (probably around 30 years or so),
and I doubt she would make such a confusion given her profession. I’ll
double-check with her again since it’s <b>always</b> possible I’ve
misunderstood her through the years if no one else can clarify. I seem to
recall her mentioning it was in the 1980s, but I’m not sure. I’ve
been “around” since 1988, and I think it was before that. But,
since I’m over my daily posting quota, I’ll not report back until
tomorrow, so I’m hoping someone else can clarify sooner </span><span
style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Rumelhart
[mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'lfalen'; 'Tom Hansen'; Saundra Lund<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
Crisis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I wonder if they were thinking of the payroll lag?
When we changed administrative systems, we moved from being paid on Friday
for work done the bi-week ending that week to being paid on Friday for work
done in the previous bi-week. In this case, there were at least three
options: lose one day of pay a bi-week for ten bi-weeks, lose one week of pay
a bi-week for two bi-weeks, or lose one whole bi-week of pay once.
There might have been other options I can't remember. The difference,
though, is that there was no time off associated with it. In effect, it
moved one paycheck to the end of your job life - you'll get one more bi-week
worth of pay after you stop working.<br>
<br>
I don't know if we ever did an actual furlough before that. I've worked
here since 1989, and I don't remember one.<br>
<br>
They could implement this furlough in lots of different ways. It
wouldn't have to be all at once.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Wed, 4/29/09, Saundra Lund <i><sslund_2007@verizon.net></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Saundra Lund <sslund_2007@verizon.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis<br>
To: "'lfalen'" <lfalen@turbonet.com>, "'Tom
Hansen'" <thansen@moscow.com><br>
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 10:52 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Roger, one of my friends who has been through the whole
furlough deal with the UI before told me that you *don't* do without a
paycheck -- she said that people had a day a week (or maybe every two weeks
or once a month -- I don't remember) where they didn't work. So,
yes, paychecks were reduced because people were working fewer hours, *but*
their base pay was preserved, they were getting something (time off) in
return for the reduced paycheck, and because they the furlough days were set,
people had the opportunity to find other small things to try to supplement
the income decrease that came from the mandatory furlough days.<br>
<br>
Now, times are tough all around now, so perhaps opportunities to supplement
income due to mandatory furloughs will be scarce, but there seems to be
something less objectionable for most people about having unpaid mandatory
time off. That's probably not a universal, but it's the case with my
friends who are staff.<br>
<br>
I don't know what happens with faculty when there are mandatory furloughs --
clearly, it doesn't seem to be fair for classes to be cancelled since
students have paid for those classes -- does anyone know how that was handled
with the previous furlough?<br>
<br>
And, from Mike's post yesterday, we now know that the whole "I'll take a
pay cut so that no one loses their job" idea at the UI is misleading
since his family friend has already lost their job at the UI :-(
So, maybe pay cuts will keep *some* people from losing their jobs, but it
certainly doesn't look like it's going to protect *everyone's* jobs, and I
think it's important in these discussions to realize that.<br>
<br>
BTW, I'm still hoping for an answer as to whether the new president will take
a pay cut if that's what winds up happening to everyone else? Does
anyone know???<br>
<br>
<br>
Saundra Lund<br>
Moscow, ID<br>
<br>
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<br>
~ Edmund Burke<br>
<br>
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: lfalen [mailto:<a href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>]
<br>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:35 AM<br>
To: Tom Hansen<br>
Cc: Saundra Lund; 'Joe Campbell'; 'Dickow'; <a
href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis<br>
<br>
The things to consider on furloughs are: Can you make it with out a pay check
if you can't find a fill in job and are you eligible for unemployment if you
take a furlough? If you can not make your payments then it would no be a
viable option. If you can make it financially then a furlough might be
preferable to a pay cut.<br>
Roger <br>
-----Original message-----<br>
From: "Tom Hansen" <a href="/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:53:04 -0700<br>
To: "lfalen" <a href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis<br>
<br>
> I would be more than willing to take a pay cut (including my military
retirement pension) if it<br>
> meant saving the job and keeping food on the dinner table of another.<br>
> <br>
> But, then, I guess that I just ain's as self-serving as some.<br>
> <br>
> Tom Hansen<br>
> Moscow, Idaho<br>
> <br>
> > Saundra<br>
> > I would be on the fence about furloughs, but agree with your last
two paragraphs.<br>
> > Roger<br>
> > -----Original message-----<br>
> > From: "Saundra Lund" <a
href="/mc/compose?to=sslund_2007@verizon.net">sslund_2007@verizon.net</a><br>
> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:54:56 -0700<br>
> > To: "'Joe Campbell'" <a
href="/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>,
"'Dickow'" <a href="/mc/compose?to=dickow@turbonet.com">dickow@turbonet.com</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
Crisis<br>
> ><br>
> >> I thought it was an excellent post as well . . . I had the
privilege of<br>
> >> meeting Mr. Dickow last night for the first time & told him
so in person.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I also have a question: will the new UI president also be
taking a pay cut?<br>
> >> If not, then I see why anyone should have to take one.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I have another question as well: a couple of friends I
have who are staff<br>
> >> members at UI are far more in favor of furloughs than pay cuts
to keep<br>
> >> anyone from being fired. One friend explained it as a pay
cut is going to<br>
> >> be a major hardship on many whether it comes from an actual pay
cut or<br>
> >> furlough, but at least with mandatory furloughs, you get
something in<br>
> >> return: some free time and the opportunity to look for a
little part-time<br>
> >> gig to make up for the reduced pay from working fewer
hours. She said<br>
> >> that's what she did the last time to keep her head above
water. I'm<br>
> >> wondering what others think about furloughs instead of pay
cuts?<br>
> >><br>
> >> And, I have a comment as well. I think it truly admirable
that so many are<br>
> >> willing to take pay cuts to save the jobs of others in the university<br>
> >> community! However, I'd be happier if I saw that same
caring spirit from<br>
> >> those at the top by them being willing to sacrifice for those
at the bottom<br>
> >> who can ill-afford *any* pay cut. There's a *huge*
difference, IMHO,<br>
> >> between taking a pay cut that may cause you to have to skip one
of several<br>
> >> vacations this year or not be able to buy a new car and not
being able to go<br>
> >> to the doctor what with that $2300 deductible on the only
coverage plan you<br>
> >> could afford in the first place or not being able to buy your
kids new shoes<br>
> >> or being able to afford to pay your child support.<br>
> >><br>
> >> The people I know at the lower end of the pay scales have a
different<br>
> >> attitude about these pay cuts: they'd love to be in a
position to be able<br>
> >> to comfortably advocate for pay cuts to save jobs. That
doesn't mean that<br>
> >> they don't prefer taking pay cuts to losing their own jobs, but
it's a lot<br>
> >> harder for them to swallow taking cuts that will threaten their
families to<br>
> >> save the jobs of others. Some are very scared about how
they'll manage to<br>
> >> live with a pay cut. And, I can't say as I blame them.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> JMHO,<br>
> >> Saundra Lund<br>
> >> Moscow, ID<br>
> >><br>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do<br>
> >> nothing.<br>
> >> ~ Edmund Burke<br>
> >><br>
> >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009
through life plus<br>
> >> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside<br>
> >> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
the<br>
> >> author.*****<br>
> >><br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> From: <a href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>
> >> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell<br>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:50 AM<br>
> >> To: Dickow<br>
> >> Cc: <a href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
Financial Crisis<br>
> >><br>
> >> This is a great post. I wonder why no one has responded.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Joe Campbell<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Dickow <<a
href="/mc/compose?to=dickow@turbonet.com">dickow@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> > The problem in my book concerning a 3% cut to state
employees is<br>
> >> > that it is, in effect, a direct tax on a special segment
of the<br>
> >> > state's population. The state would be making up its
shortfalls at<br>
> >> > the expense of state employees. I think that the state
shouldn't be<br>
> >> > thought of as an entity like a company, which might indeed
have to<br>
> >> > trim their employees in some form or other. But in in the
case of<br>
> >> > the state, the employees would be making a sacrifice that
directly<br>
> >> > benefits other people in the state, not the owners of a
somel<br>
> >> > corporation. A more equitable solution to the state's
budgetary woes<br>
> >> > would be to impose a tax of some kind on everyone in the
state.<br>
> >> > Then, everyone might have to kick back 1/2 percent or
something, and<br>
> >> > all would be well. But alas, raising taxes is political NO
NO!<br>
> >> > And... by the way, whatever happened to the state's
Emergency Fund.<br>
> >> > did they spend that already?<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Bob Dickow, troublemaker<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > -----Original message-----<br>
> >> > From: Joe Campbell <a
href="/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
> >> > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:37:18 -0700<br>
> >> > To: lfalen <a href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a><br>
> >> > Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union
Responds to<br>
> >> > Financial Crisis<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> >> I'm sorry to hear about your wife's situation, Roger.
Staff is<br>
> >> >> getting<br>
> >> >> the worst of it at WSU, too.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> But I still think Nick has a point. Here is one way to
put it. Would<br>
> >> >> you or anyone else on this list be willing to
"cut" your pay by<br>
> >> >> giving<br>
> >> >> 3% more to the state of ID to help prevent folks at UI
from being<br>
> >> >> fired? If you and others say "yes," then I'm
on board, as well!<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Joe Campbell<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:03 AM, lfalen <<a
href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >>> Joe<br>
> >> >>> I do no want you or any one else to lose their
job. I think that pay<br>
> >> >>> cuts are preferable to layoffs.It is inevitably
that some programs<br>
> >> >>> will be cut. there are no students or very few for
a class it will<br>
> >> >>> be cut. My wife is staff in the PSES department at
UI. She runs the<br>
> >> >>> Soils Pedology Lab. She will receive an award for
40 years of<br>
> >> >>> service today. She puts in 10 to 12 hours a day
and does not get<br>
> >> >>> comp. time. She had cancer in 2003. She had
surgery, chemo,<br>
> >> >>> radiation and the whole ball of wax.
She is still suffering from<br>
> >> >>> the after affects. She takes a lot of Ibuprofen
and diuretics to<br>
> >> >>> keep on going. She is not yet eligible for full
Social Security.<br>
> >> >>> <snip>....<br>
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