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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>The main advantage of furloughs is that they do not reduce base pay. A reduction in base pay remains for one's entire career.</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com on behalf of Tom Hansen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue 4/28/2009 11:53 AM<BR><B>To:</B> lfalen<BR><B>Cc:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>I would be more than willing to take a pay cut (including my military retirement pension) if it<BR>meant saving the job and keeping food on the dinner table of another.<BR><BR>But, then, I guess that I just ain's as self-serving as some.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>> Saundra<BR>> I would be on the fence about furloughs, but agree with your last two paragraphs.<BR>> Roger<BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: "Saundra Lund" sslund_2007@verizon.net<BR>> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:54:56 -0700<BR>> To: "'Joe Campbell'" philosopher.joe@gmail.com, "'Dickow'" dickow@turbonet.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis<BR>><BR>>> I thought it was an excellent post as well . . . I had the privilege of<BR>>> meeting Mr. Dickow last night for the first time & told him so in person.<BR>>><BR>>> I also have a question: will the new UI president also be taking a pay cut?<BR>>> If not, then I see why anyone should have to take one.<BR>>><BR>>> I have another question as well: a couple of friends I have who are staff<BR>>> members at UI are far more in favor of furloughs than pay cuts to keep<BR>>> anyone from being fired. One friend explained it as a pay cut is going to<BR>>> be a major hardship on many whether it comes from an actual pay cut or<BR>>> furlough, but at least with mandatory furloughs, you get something in<BR>>> return: some free time and the opportunity to look for a little part-time<BR>>> gig to make up for the reduced pay from working fewer hours. She said<BR>>> that's what she did the last time to keep her head above water. I'm<BR>>> wondering what others think about furloughs instead of pay cuts?<BR>>><BR>>> And, I have a comment as well. I think it truly admirable that so many are<BR>>> willing to take pay cuts to save the jobs of others in the university<BR>>> community! However, I'd be happier if I saw that same caring spirit from<BR>>> those at the top by them being willing to sacrifice for those at the bottom<BR>>> who can ill-afford *any* pay cut. There's a *huge* difference, IMHO,<BR>>> between taking a pay cut that may cause you to have to skip one of several<BR>>> vacations this year or not be able to buy a new car and not being able to go<BR>>> to the doctor what with that $2300 deductible on the only coverage plan you<BR>>> could afford in the first place or not being able to buy your kids new shoes<BR>>> or being able to afford to pay your child support.<BR>>><BR>>> The people I know at the lower end of the pay scales have a different<BR>>> attitude about these pay cuts: they'd love to be in a position to be able<BR>>> to comfortably advocate for pay cuts to save jobs. That doesn't mean that<BR>>> they don't prefer taking pay cuts to losing their own jobs, but it's a lot<BR>>> harder for them to swallow taking cuts that will threaten their families to<BR>>> save the jobs of others. Some are very scared about how they'll manage to<BR>>> live with a pay cut. And, I can't say as I blame them.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> JMHO,<BR>>> Saundra Lund<BR>>> Moscow, ID<BR>>><BR>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>>> nothing.<BR>>> ~ Edmund Burke<BR>>><BR>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through life plus<BR>>> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside<BR>>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<BR>>> author.*****<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [<A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]<BR>>> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell<BR>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:50 AM<BR>>> To: Dickow<BR>>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis<BR>>><BR>>> This is a great post. I wonder why no one has responded.<BR>>><BR>>> Joe Campbell<BR>>><BR>>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Dickow <dickow@turbonet.com> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> > The problem in my book concerning a 3% cut to state employees is<BR>>> > that it is, in effect, a direct tax on a special segment of the<BR>>> > state's population. The state would be making up its shortfalls at<BR>>> > the expense of state employees. I think that the state shouldn't be<BR>>> > thought of as an entity like a company, which might indeed have to<BR>>> > trim their employees in some form or other. But in in the case of<BR>>> > the state, the employees would be making a sacrifice that directly<BR>>> > benefits other people in the state, not the owners of a somel<BR>>> > corporation. A more equitable solution to the state's budgetary woes<BR>>> > would be to impose a tax of some kind on everyone in the state.<BR>>> > Then, everyone might have to kick back 1/2 percent or something, and<BR>>> > all would be well. But alas, raising taxes is political NO NO!<BR>>> > And... by the way, whatever happened to the state's Emergency Fund.<BR>>> > did they spend that already?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Bob Dickow, troublemaker<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -----Original message-----<BR>>> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe@gmail.com<BR>>> > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:37:18 -0700<BR>>> > To: lfalen lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>>> > Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to<BR>>> > Financial Crisis<BR>>> ><BR>>> >> I'm sorry to hear about your wife's situation, Roger. Staff is<BR>>> >> getting<BR>>> >> the worst of it at WSU, too.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> But I still think Nick has a point. Here is one way to put it. Would<BR>>> >> you or anyone else on this list be willing to "cut" your pay by<BR>>> >> giving<BR>>> >> 3% more to the state of ID to help prevent folks at UI from being<BR>>> >> fired? If you and others say "yes," then I'm on board, as well!<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Joe Campbell<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:03 AM, lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com> wrote:<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>> Joe<BR>>> >>> I do no want you or any one else to lose their job. I think that pay<BR>>> >>> cuts are preferable to layoffs.It is inevitably that some programs<BR>>> >>> will be cut. there are no students or very few for a class it will<BR>>> >>> be cut. My wife is staff in the PSES department at UI. She runs the<BR>>> >>> Soils Pedology Lab. She will receive an award for 40 years of<BR>>> >>> service today. She puts in 10 to 12 hours a day and does not get<BR>>> >>> comp. time. She had cancer in 2003. She had surgery, chemo,<BR>>> >>> radiation and the whole ball of wax. She is still suffering from<BR>>> >>> the after affects. She takes a lot of Ibuprofen and diuretics to<BR>>> >>> keep on going. She is not yet eligible for full Social Security.<BR>>> >>> <snip>....<BR>>> ><BR>>> > =======================================================<BR>>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>>> > <A href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net</A><BR>>> > <A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> > =======================================================<BR>>><BR>>> =======================================================<BR>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>>> <A href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net</A><BR>>> <A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> =======================================================<BR>>><BR>>> =======================================================<BR>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>>> <A href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net</A><BR>>> <A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> =======================================================<BR>>><BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> <A href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net</A><BR>> <A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> =======================================================<BR><BR><BR>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change and the Realist adjusts<BR>his sails."<BR><BR>- Unknown<BR><BR><BR>=======================================================<BR> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR> <A href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net</A> <BR> <A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>=======================================================<BR></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>