<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I say yes - I will take a 3% pay cut so that others won't get laid off.<br><br>Paul<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 4/27/09, Joe Campbell <i><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis<br>To: "lfalen" <lfalen@turbonet.com><br>Cc: "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com>, "Gier, Nicholas" <NGIER@uidaho.edu><br>Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 10:37 AM<br><br><div class="plainMail">I'm sorry to hear about your wife's situation, Roger. Staff is getting <br>the worst of it at WSU, too.<br><br>But I still think Nick has a point. Here is one way to put it. Would <br>you or anyone else on this list be
willing to "cut" your pay by giving <br>3% more to the state of ID to help prevent folks at UI from being <br>fired? If you and others say "yes," then I'm on board, as well!<br><br>Joe Campbell<br><br>On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:03 AM, lfalen <<a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Joe<br>> I do no want you or any one else to lose their job. I think that pay <br>> cuts are preferable to layoffs.It is inevitably that some programs <br>> will be cut. there are no students or very few for a class it will <br>> be cut. My wife is staff in the PSES department at UI. She runs the <br>> Soils Pedology Lab. She will receive an award for 40 years of <br>> service today. She puts in 10 to 12 hours a day and does not get <br>> comp. time. She had cancer in 2003. She had surgery, chemo, <br>> radiation
and the whole ball of wax. She is still suffering from <br>> the after affects. She takes a lot of Ibuprofen and diuretics to <br>> keep on going. She is not yet eligible for full Social Security. <br>> There have already been severe cut backs at PSES. Sixteen positions <br>> will not be filled. There are very few students in soils. If it were <br>> not for the environmental students there would be even less. If <br>> things get any worse she could be in danger. She is willing to take <br>> the 3% decrease. Everyone else should also.<br>> Roger<br>> -----Original message-----<br>> From: Joe Campbell <a ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:48:06 -0700<br>> To: lfalen <a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial <br>> Crisis<br>><br>>> I am not guarenteed a job, Roger. As I understand it, cutting the<br>>> department provides justification for firing me. That is how my chair<br>>> explained it. I have some security, of course, and I'm thankful for<br>>> that. But not of the sort you imagine.<br>>><br>>> Joe Campbell<br>>><br>>> On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:34 AM, lfalen <<a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> You are still guarenteed a job.In bad times that should be enough.<br>>>> Why should not everyone share in the cuts? Why should you be placed<br>>>> on an elevated pedestal at the expense of peasants(staff)?<br>>>>
Roger<br>>>> -----Original message-----<br>>>> From: Joe Campbell <a ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:30:51 -0700<br>>>> To: lfalen <a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a><br>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial<br>>>> Crisis<br>>>><br>>>>> Maybe I should have expressed my question more clearly, What is<br>>>>> tenure<br>>>>> without the salary? What do you get with that?<br>>>>><br>>>>> Joe Campbell<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Apr 23, 2009, at 8:43 AM, lfalen <<a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> All I am saying is that pay cuts should affect everyone, starting<br>>>>>> with administrators. It makes no sence to cut the pay of those on<br>>>>>> the lowest end of the pay scale while excluding those that make<br>>>>>> more. If the rules for tenure do not allow for this, then the <br>>>>>> rules<br>>>>>> need to be changed.<br>>>>>> Roger<br>>>>>> -----Original message-----<br>>>>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com" href="/mc/compose?to=nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a><br>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:22:01 -0700<br>>>>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>, lfalen <a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>, "Gier,<br>>>>>> Nicholas" <a ymailto="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=NGIER@uidaho.edu">NGIER@uidaho.edu</a><br>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to <br>>>>>> Financial<br>>>>>> Crisis<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Hi Roger,<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> If tenure protects base salary, as two legal cases indicate <br>>>>>>> that it<br>>>>>>> does, then a contract that invalidated that aspect of tenure <br>>>>>>> would<br>>>>>>> be illegal and no faculty member should agree to it.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Nick<br>>>>>>> ---- lfalen <<a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>>> You are reading in things that arn't there. I said only that<br>>>>>>>> future tenure contract should not lock in salaries in the event<br>>>>>>>> that every one else takes a pay cut. In this narrow regard, no<br>>>>>>>> one should be immuned.<br>>>>>>>> Roger<br>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----<br>>>>>>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" <a ymailto="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=NGIER@uidaho.edu">NGIER@uidaho.edu</a><br>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:01:58 -0700<br>>>>>>>> To: "lfalen" <a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>, <a ymailto="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a>, <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to<br>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> Hi Roger,<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> Here are your exact words:<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> "If this is prohibited by tenured rules, these should be <br>>>>>>>>> changed<br>>>>>>>>> going forward. Contracts should be honored as the early retires<br>>>>>>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these <br>>>>>>>>> kinds<br>>>>>>>>> of
contracts in the future."<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you did not mean to say it, but you wrote this and it<br>>>>>>>>> clearly implies that future contracts for faculty would not<br>>>>>>>>> include tenure.<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> Nick<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>>>>>> From: lfalen [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>]<br>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 1:53 PM<br>>>>>>>>> To: Gier, Nicholas; <a ymailto="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com" href="/mc/compose?to=nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a>;<br>>>>>>>>> <a
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to<br>>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> I did not say anything about eliminating tenure, only that they<br>>>>>>>>> should be subject to same rules as staff when it comes to pay<br>>>>>>>>> cuts.<br>>>>>>>>> Roger<br>>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----<br>>>>>>>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" <a ymailto="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=NGIER@uidaho.edu">NGIER@uidaho.edu</a><br>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:42:01 -0700<br>>>>>>>>> To: "lfalen" <a ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>, <a ymailto="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com" href="/mc/compose?to=nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a>, <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to<br>>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roger,<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> If you are suggesting that Idaho eliminate tenure, then<br>>>>>>>>>> prospective faculty members will not apply for jobs on Idaho's<br>>>>>>>>>> campuses. That of course would be disastrous for Idaho higher<br>>>>>>>>>>
education.<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Tenure is necessary for academic freedom and that means, <br>>>>>>>>>> after a<br>>>>>>>>>> rigorous probationary period of 5-7 years, tenured professors<br>>>>>>>>>> have career-long protection from political interference in <br>>>>>>>>>> their<br>>>>>>>>>> teaching, research, and service.<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Nick<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>>>>>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> on behalf of
lfalen<br>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 10:39 AM<br>>>>>>>>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com" href="/mc/compose?to=nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to<br>>>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Nick<br>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you on administrative position and athletics,<br>>>>>>>>>> though not necessarily on tenure. If cuts do get down to staff<br>>>>>>>>>> positions, it should also include tenured faculty. If this is<br>>>>>>>>>> prohibited by tenured rules,
these should be changed going<br>>>>>>>>>> forward. Contracts should be honored as the early retires<br>>>>>>>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these<br>>>>>>>>>> kinds of contracts in the future.<br>>>>>>>>>> Roger<br>>>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----<br>>>>>>>>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com" href="/mc/compose?to=nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a><br>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:54:37 -0700<br>>>>>>>>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to <br>>>>>>>>>>
Financial<br>>>>>>>>>> Crisis<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> IFT HIGHER EDUCATION COUNCIL RESPONDS TO FINANCIAL CRISIS<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> On April 15, 2009 the Higher Education Council of the Idaho<br>>>>>>>>>>> Federation of Teachers, AFT/AFL-CIO met in a phone conference<br>>>>>>>>>>> to discuss the financial crisis.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> Those present were Valia Tatarova, Idaho State University<br>>>>>>>>>>> (physics); Lynn Lubamersky, Boise State University (history);<br>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Riggs, Lewis-Clark State College (history); Lynne<br>>>>>>>>>>> Haagensen, University of Idaho (art);
Joyce Lider, North <br>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho<br>>>>>>>>>>> College (English); Susan Andrews, IFT Vice-President for <br>>>>>>>>>>> Higher<br>>>>>>>>>>> Education; and Nick Gier, IFT President.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> I. Salary Reduction Proposal. According to a legal opinion <br>>>>>>>>>>> from<br>>>>>>>>>>> the AFT national office, academic tenure protects base <br>>>>>>>>>>> salary.<br>>>>>>>>>>> Tenure is a property right and at least two court cases have<br>>>>>>>>>>> recognized that base salary is part of that property. The IFT<br>>>>>>>>>>> Higher Education Council voted
to oppose any salary <br>>>>>>>>>>> reductions<br>>>>>>>>>>> for tenured faculty. We join the BSU Faculty Senate <br>>>>>>>>>>> President<br>>>>>>>>>>> in vowing to file a case action suit if tenured faculty are<br>>>>>>>>>>> forced to take a pay cut. In a related decision the IFT <br>>>>>>>>>>> Higher<br>>>>>>>>>>> Education Council voted that classified staff, lecturers, and<br>>>>>>>>>>> non-tenured faculty be exempt from salary reductions and<br>>>>>>>>>>> proposed that salary savings be taken from those making more<br>>>>>>>>>>> than
$100,000.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> II. Teaching positions should have priority over <br>>>>>>>>>>> administrative<br>>>>>>>>>>> positions. Nation-wide administrative positions have <br>>>>>>>>>>> generally<br>>>>>>>>>>> grown at a greater rate than teaching positions. The example<br>>>>>>>>>>> of BSU is especially egregious: from 2005-2007 BSU had over <br>>>>>>>>>>> 100<br>>>>>>>>>>> more administrators than its peers but 191 fewer faculty<br>>>>>>>>>>> members instructing students than peer institutions.<br>>>>>>>>>>> Administrative salaries have also outpaced faculty
pay. <br>>>>>>>>>>> Since<br>>>>>>>>>>> 1982 the salaries of 11 top UI administrative positions have<br>>>>>>>>>>> increased 260 percent while full professor salaries increased<br>>>>>>>>>>> 198 percent. (CPI for the period was 215.) (For more see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/salaries.htm<br>>>>>>>>>>>> .) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to recommend that<br>>>>>>>>>>> administrative positions be cut before teaching positions.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> III. Appropriated funds are for academics not athletics. <br>>>>>>>>>>> Since<br>>>>>>>>>>> 1987 state subsidies for athletics at the UI has grown
338<br>>>>>>>>>>> percent while appropriations for Idaho higher education has<br>>>>>>>>>>> grown 159 percent. Currently the state subsidies for UI and<br>>>>>>>>>>> ISU athletics are over $3 million. Since 1999 private<br>>>>>>>>>>> contributions to UI athletics rose 246 percent, indicating <br>>>>>>>>>>> the<br>>>>>>>>>>> potential for it to wean itself, as any non-academic program<br>>>>>>>>>>> should, from its state subsidy. (For more see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/athletics.htm<br>>>>>>>>>>>> .) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to request that<br>>>>>>>>>>> state monies for athletics on all Idaho campuses be phased
<br>>>>>>>>>>> out<br>>>>>>>>>>> over 4-6 years.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> IV. Program reduction procedures must be revised. In 2002 <br>>>>>>>>>>> the<br>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho State Board of Education (SBOE) instituted new <br>>>>>>>>>>> procedures<br>>>>>>>>>>> for program reduction. At that time the IFT objected to a <br>>>>>>>>>>> lack<br>>>>>>>>>>> of protection for tenured faculty and requested that the<br>>>>>>>>>>> procedures be revised. As no revisions have been made, IFT<br>>>>>>>>>>> president asked in December 2008 for a legal opinion from
<br>>>>>>>>>>> the<br>>>>>>>>>>> national office. The response was that these procedures<br>>>>>>>>>>> undermine tenure and do not comply with Idaho law. (For more<br>>>>>>>>>>> see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/ <br>>>>>>>>>>> ProgramReduction.htm>.)<br>>>>>>>>>>> The IFT Higher Education Council voted to urge the SBOE to<br>>>>>>>>>>> revise these procedures such that tenured faculty have the <br>>>>>>>>>>> same<br>>>>>>>>>>> protection as under the procedures for financial exigency.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>
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