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I just wrote that we should start ignoring Donovan, and then I read this.<br><br>Wayne -- bear -- is a good friend of mine, far more intelligent, decent, and respectable (never mind respectful) than most people I've ever met. Deciding to join in the discussion on Vision should not result in screaming, flailing, hair-grabbing tantrums like the one below.<br><br>And now I plan to -- plan to -- ignore Donovan.<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:22:16 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com; bear@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question<br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-font: none;" valign="top"><div>Wayne,</div>
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<div>It is obvious you aren't an attorney, I know you have to be able to pass law school and the bar, a feat far past your competence. But it is also obvious you have no spine by hiding behind a psuesdo handle. Even your so called friends have condemed the practice of using a false identity and attacking others. Although it might just be that they only condemn the practice when it happens to their friends and not others. Perhaps you can chalk up your dishonesty to defending the Constitution. I am sure you and Sunil can come up with some fantango language and explaination as to why your unethical behavior is really ethical. </div>
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<div>Reality is, Moscow is a small, tiny town, your emails leave an IP address footprint, I know your first name is Wayne, and I will eventually find out who you are.. There are other people that monitor this list that tell me who people are when they try this sort of thing. You are not the first.</div>
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<div>So you can either tell us now,or I will tell everybody later. </div>
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<div>Best Regards,</div>
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<div>Donovan<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 4/17/09, bear@moscow.com <i><bear@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: bear@moscow.com <bear@moscow.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question<br>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, bear@moscow.com<br>Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 3:46 PM<br><br>
<div class="EC_plainMail">Been a long time since I was called out to the school yard like that Donovan! Many folks<br>on the <br>list, and that read the list know me, and at this point, you have no idea how much<br>pleasure it <br>gives me to frost your butt by you not knowing me and keeping you wondering!<br><br>And please, quit accusing Ralph Nielsen of being ME! And I have not attacked you any more <br>than you have attacked others! As ye sow, so shall ye reep! Next thing you know, you'll<br>accuse <br>me of being an attorney! LOL<br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> Bear, Why don't you have the courage to use your real name? You attack me<br>p> ersonally, but do so cowardly behind anonymity? <br>> <br>> Best Regards,<br>> <br>> Donovan<br>> <br>> --- On Fri, 4/17/09, <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a> <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> <br>> From: <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a> <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question<br>> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>, "vision 2020"<br><vision> <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=2020@moscow.com">2020@moscow.com</a>><br>> Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 11:05 AM<br>> <br>>
<br>> Sunil,<br>> <br>> I guess what bothers me the most about it becoming a personal attack<br>agains> t you as<br>> opposed <br>> to a vigorous argument against what the issue at hand is.<br>> <br>> He seems to think that defense lawyers should not defend clients with<br>vigor> or use all of<br>> the <br>> tools that are provided by law, which WOULD make them snakes! Why don't<br>> people realize<br>> that <br>> the most vile offenders are the ones that need a zealous defense the most,<br>> and that's the<br>> way <br>> the system is designed to work! Just because you defend a client, doesn't<br>m> ean you condone<br>> <br>> what they are alleged to have done, nor do you share the same beliefs! <br>> <br>> AND, it seems based on the last election here in Latah County, that the<br>Peo> ple of Latah<br>> County <br>> have no problem with the results of the prosecution
of the child molester<br>c> ase that he is<br>> so <br>> upset about. We just had an election back in November and there was a<br>choic> e between a new<br>> <br>> county prosecutor or the same one that was involved in the child<br>moleste> r case. The<br>> People <br>> spoke and are happy with the ability of a child molester to walk the<br>street> s, or they<br>> would have <br>> changed the elected officer that enabled that.<br>> <br>> And as far as the sun rising in the east is concerned, it shouldn't!<br>Doesn'> t God know that<br>> means <br>> the sun comes up over the slave owning, wife beating, 8 year old bride<br>m> arrying Moslems <br>> first? They should be denied sun until they change their evil ways! *S*<br>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> --<br>--<br>> > Typical, and predictable as the sun rising in the East.
When Donovan is<br>> w> rong he can't admit it, and if I call him on it he will launch into this<br>> > slimy attack. Kind of like a jellyfish.<br>> > <br>> > He's an interesting case study. The prolapse has clearly extruded his<br>> enti> re brain, yet he retains sufficient coordination to operate a<br>keyboar> d.<br>> > <br>> > Sunil<br>> > <br>> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:28:46 -0700<br>> > From: <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question<br>> > To: <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>;<br>> thansen@moscow.> com; <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a><br>> > <br>> > Sorry, I disagree. <br>> > <br>> > I do agree with what the Ten Commandments say. But I think lots of people<br>> d> isagree with what the Ten Commandments intend and imply. <br>> > <br>> > What I think is a crock is their release. The reality is, child<br>> molesters> are free, in part, because of the actions of Sunil. You can<br>c> all it<br>> wh> atever you want, blame it on anyone else, but that is the reality. <br>> > <br>> > And I would not be calling the release of child molesters, "due<br>> process."> That term is such an injustice to the victims of these<br>people> , or shall<br>> > I
call these child molesters, at the risk of offending some liberals on<br>> h> ere, monsters. <br>> > <br>> > Best Regards,<br>> > <br>> > Donovan<br>> > <br>> > --- On Fri, 4/17/09, <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a> <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > From: <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a> <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>><br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question<br>> > To: "Donovan Arnold" <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>, "vision 2020"<br>> <visio> <a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=n2020@moscow.com">n2020@moscow.com</a>>, "Sunil Ramalingam"<br><<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>> ,<br>> "T> om Hansen" <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>> > Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:11 AM<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Donovan, What a CROCK! <br>> > <br>> > First you don't believe what the Ten Commandments say, and now you don't<br>> > like the way the <br>> > law works!
IF I read the court documents correctly, there was a JUDGE<br>> tha> t released him,<br>> > not <br>> > Sunil! I am sorry that the State of Idaho, as represented by a<br>> prosecutor> didn't prove<br>> > his/her <br>> > case that the individual was a threat to society. You're pointing the<br>> finge> r in the WRONG <br>> > direction on how the legal system worked in this case!<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> ><br>_________________________________________________________________________> __> <br>> _________________<br>> > > Hansen,<br>> > > <br>> > > Certainly not a lawyer with a forked tongue that misleads people to<br>dra> w<br>> > > the wrong conclusions and to free child molesters. <br>> > > The child molester can at least claim mental illness for this<br>> endangermen>
t<br>> > > of children. But what can Sunil claim? <br>> > > I remember, if my memory<br>> > serves me correctly, at how angry Hansen was that<br>> > > our local child molester of an eight year old girl, was allowed to<br>> driv> e,<br>> > w> ithout supervision, to Lewiston. Guess who was, in part,<br>> responsib> le for<br>> > > his release into the Moscow Public? <br>> > > Best Regards,<br>> > > <br>> > > Donovan <br>> > > <br>> > > --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Tom Hansen <<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ---------------------------------------------<br>> This message was sent by
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