<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV><STRONG><U>"Donovan,<BR><BR>You state below that "God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them", where? In<BR>the <BR>Bible?<BR>You can't use the Bible where it supports your position and then say it's bunk when it<BR>doesn't!"</U></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Bear,<BR> <BR>First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you disagree?<BR> <BR><BR>‘“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.’--Jesus—Matthew 22:34-40<BR> <BR>Second, Are you arguing that selling someone into slavery and abusing them is not contrary to this law?<BR> <BR>Best Regards,<BR> <BR>Donovan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/13/09, bear@moscow.com <I><bear@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: bear@moscow.com <bear@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen@uidaho.edu>, vision2020@moscow.com, bear@moscow.com<BR>Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:56 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>NO Donovan, I NEVER asked that. What I ask was WHICH one of the ten commandments YOU <BR>were quoting. YOU stated," First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you <BR>disagree?" It is your quote, not mine.<BR><BR>I said that I disagree and am asking YOU which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS says that.<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR>> Bear,<BR>> Â <BR>> You asked where it said in the Bible not to sell your neighbor and abuse<BR>th> em. <BR>> Â <BR>> It says in the Bible, directly from Jesus,<BR>> Â <BR>> "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,<BR>> and with all your soul, and with all your mind. is the greatest<BR>> and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love<BR>> your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the<BR>> law and the prophets.-Jesus---Matthew
22:34-40<BR>>  <BR>> Unless you want to absurdly assert that selling someone into slavery and<BR>ab> use is not contrary to loving them, your question has been<BR>satisfactor> ily answered as to where it says slavery and abuse of your neighbor is<BR>wron> g in the Bible. <BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>>  <BR>> Donovan<BR>>  <BR>> <BR>> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A> <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A> <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>, "Ralph Nielsen"<BR><niels> <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=en@uidaho.edu" ymailto="mailto:en@uidaho.edu">en@uidaho.edu</A>>, <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>, <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:04 PM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Donovan,<BR>> <BR>> I'm afraid I DO disagree, which commandment says that?<BR>> <BR>> The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old
Testament at Exodus,<BR>Chapt> er 20. They <BR>> were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He<BR>> had delivered<BR>> them <BR>> from slavery in Egypt: <BR>> "And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God… <BR>> <BR>> ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.' <BR>> TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of<BR>anyth> ing that is in <BR>> heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water<BR>unde> r the earth.' <BR>> THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.' <BR>> FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.' <BR>> FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' <BR>> SIX: 'You shall not murder.' <BR>> SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.' <BR>> EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.' <BR>> NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' <BR>> TEN: 'You shall
not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your<BR>n> eighbor's wife,<BR>> nor <BR>> his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor<BR>a> nything that is<BR>> your <BR>> neighbor's.'<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> --<BR>---<BR>> > Bear,<BR>> >  <BR>> > First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you disagree?<BR>> >  <BR>> > <BR>> > ‘“You shall love the Lord your<BR>Go> d with all your heart,<BR>> and> with all your soul, and with all your<BR>mind.â€ï¿> ½ This is the greatest<BR>> > and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You<BR>> shall love<BR>> you> r neighbour as yourself.� On these two<BR>commandm> ents hang all the<BR>> la>
w and the<BR>prophets.’--Jesusâ€â€> �Matthew 22:34-40<BR>> >  <BR>> > Second, Are you arguing that selling someone into slavery and abusing<BR>the> m<BR>> > is not contrary to this law?<BR>> >  <BR>> > Best Regards,<BR>> >  <BR>> > Donovan<BR>> > <BR>> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A> <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > From: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A> <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A>><BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>> > To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>, "Ralph Nielsen"<BR>> <niels> <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=en@uidaho.edu" ymailto="mailto:en@uidaho.edu">en@uidaho.edu</A>>, <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:16 PM<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Donovan,<BR>> > <BR>> > You state below that "God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse<BR>> th> em", where? In<BR>> > the <BR>> > Bible?<BR>> > You can't use the Bible where it supports your
position and then say it's<BR>> b> unk when it<BR>> > doesn't!<BR>> > <BR>> ><BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------> --> --<BR>> -<BR>> > > Ralph,  <BR>> > > The Bible is not the law of the land. And I don't know of any men,<BR>> > including Wilson, that want to adopt Leviticus or Exodus as<BR>such.Â>  <BR>> Â>  <BR>> > > God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them.  <BR>> > > Women were sold in ancient times, or given a dowry, in<BR>order> to<BR>> repa> y<BR>> > the father for the cost of raising and protecting her, which<BR>> was<BR>> expe> nsive to<BR>> > > do. You have to watch them 24 hours a day. <BR>> > >  <BR>> > > Your interpretation of God, and the Bible seems extremely
corrupted.<BR>> > Perhaps it is your prejudice against people that know a loving God<BR>> exists.> <BR>> > >  <BR>> > > Best Regards,<BR>> > >  <BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> > > <BR>> > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Ralph Nielsen <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nielsen@uidaho.edu" ymailto="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</A>> wrote:<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > From: Ralph Nielsen <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nielsen@uidaho.edu" ymailto="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</A>><BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>> > > To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> > > Cc: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:54 PM<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I don't think anyone suggested that he was, Donovan. But there are all<BR>> to> o<BR>> > > many like him who want to make it the law of the land. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > As I pointed out, the God of the Bible says it is OK for a father to<BR>se> ll<BR>> > h> is daughter into slavery. Doug seems to lack a sense of morality so he<BR>> > goes> by the rule that if it's biblical, it's moral.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Ralph<BR>> > > <BR>> > >
<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Wilson is not the law of the land. He is not in a position to enforce<BR>h> is<BR>> > r> eligious symbolism literally on the country. Only people that wish to<BR>> > follo> w his words do, not by force.<BR>> > >  <BR>> > > There seems to be a deep sense of confusion amongst some liberals<BR>betwe> en<BR>> > r> eligious symbolism and an actual judge and government forcing an 8<BR>yea> r<BR>> > old> girl to marry a 40-something year old man.<BR>> > >  <BR>> > > As a Christian, I believe, and my religious leaders will tell me, to<BR>> hono> r<BR>> > > my Mother and Father, and I willfully
try to do so. However, they are<BR>n> ot<BR>> > a> dvocating that it be law that I do whatever my parents tell me to do<BR>a> s<BR>> > an<BR>> > > adult.<BR>> > >  <BR>> > > I don't know Wilson theology, but I am sure he is against 8 year old<BR>> girl> s<BR>> > > being forced to marry and do whatever a 40 year old man tells her to<BR>do> ..<BR>> > I<BR>> > > am sure he is also against the buying and selling of people as<BR>property> ..<BR>> > Bu> t even if he wasn't, who cares, he isn't in a position, or seeking a<BR>> > positi> on, to enforce it. I am concerned with those that are being<BR>force> d<BR>> > right<BR>> > no> w, and an ancient system of governing that is operates serious<BR>> injustic> es<BR>> > a> gainst people, especially women and children.<BR>> > >  <BR>> > >
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