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<DIV>Do you tolerate that which you dislike? Do we as society try to regulate that which is bad and evil?</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/15/09, Joe Campbell <I><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>Cc: "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen@uidaho.edu>, "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, "Joseph Campbell" <josephc@wsu.edu><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:32 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>"God tolerated slavery, and tried to regulate it"? What sense can this make? How can a benevolent being tolerate slavery? How can an omnipotent being try to do something and fail?</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Donovan Arnold <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I quoted you "exactly". I didn't write the words, you did. it is clear by reading your words, you agree with Doug Wilson. </DIV>
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<DIV>I was simply following your lead. As you like to distort the Bible, and the meaning of what it means by taking things out of context, taking one line from one book, then another line for another, than ignoring the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, putting it together and drawing your own conclusions without any formal training or understanding of the Bible. </DIV>
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<DIV>God tolerated slavery, and tried to regulate it. Jesus was not pro-slavery. And Christians are not pro-slavery. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/15/09, Ralph Nielsen <I><<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nielsen@uidaho.edu" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Ralph Nielsen <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nielsen@uidaho.edu" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc: "vision 2020" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>>, "Bear" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bear@moscow.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A>>, "Joseph Campbell" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=josephc@wsu.edu" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">josephc@wsu.edu</A>><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:29 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>You do seem to like twisting people's words, don't you? I wrote, "Or, as Doug Wilson would put it, Slavery is biblical. I agree with Doug." SLAVERY IS BIBLICAL.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bear and I did not say that we should support slavery because God approves of it in the Bible. Doug approves of slavery because it is biblical. I strongly disapprove of slavery, whether it is biblical or not. Whether God approves of it or not.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for the <SPAN><SPAN>KJV</SPAN></SPAN>, it dishonestly translates the Hebrew word for slave as "servant." But do people buy and sell servants? If you sold your daughter for a servant, isn't that slavery? Honest translations of the Bible call a slave a slave. </DIV>
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<DIV>I am sure Doug will be thrilled. I am equally sure the two of you will convince Christians they should support slavery because the Bible says you should according to Bear and Ralph's interpretations of the <SPAN>KJV</SPAN>. </DIV>
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<DIV>Bear is correct. You don't read the Bible very carefully, Bear does. Please read his comments again.</DIV>
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<DIV>The Ten (not Two) Commandments did not come from Jesus, in the New Testament; they came direct from God, in the Old Testament. And they are not the same.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for slavery, it is not condemned anywhere in the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments, by either God, Jesus or anyone else. That is "the big picture," as you call it. Slavery is in the context of everything we read in the Bible. Or, as Doug Wilson would put it, Slavery is biblical. I agree with Doug.</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan, I think you're trying to discredit the Bible by making false claims about it.</DIV>
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