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<DIV>Again, you fail to address my point. </DIV>
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<DIV>Nowhere in the Bible does it say slavery is just or fair in the eyes of God. These are only laws protecting slaves and protecting people from slavery. </DIV>
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<DIV>You are not able to produce a sentence where God says, Slavery and abuse of slaves is good and of God. </DIV>
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<DIV>Slavery is a man made invention, and its abuse was regulated by the Bible, not commanded by it. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/13/09, Ralph Nielsen <I><nielsen@uidaho.edu></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:14 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>This is what God said,</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5><I>Exodus 21:2</I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>When you buy a Hebrew </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>When a man sells his daughter as a </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>, she shall not go out as the male </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>s do.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>When a man strikes his </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>, male or female, with a rod and the </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5> dies under his hand, he shall be punished.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5><I>Exodus 21:21</I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>But if the </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5> survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5> is his money.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Remember, Donovan, I didn't write this, nor am I interpreting it, I am just quoting it. If you sell your daughter as a slave, she shall remain a slave for the rest of her life. If you breed her, her offspring are also your slaves, which you may keep, sell, or bequeath to your sons.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5><I>Leviticus 25:44</I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>As for your male and female </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>s whom you may have: you may buy male and female </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>s from among the nations that are round about you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5><I>Leviticus 25:46</I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession for ever; you may make </FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Verdana; COLOR: #000bff" face=Verdana color=#000bff size=5><B>slave</B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>s of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness.</FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">But remember, you may not make your slaves work on Saturdays:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Verdana" face=Verdana size=5>Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave, or your female slave, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates;</FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Read the Bible carefully, Doug does.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 13, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>That line doesn't say it is OK to make your daughter a slave, it just says if you do, you protect her. Do not treat her as a male slave. It is sort of a common sense thing, as she would violated for sure. </DIV>
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<DIV>If I say, "You should not beat your slave.", it doesn't mean I want people to be slaves.</DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/13/09, Ralph Nielsen <I><<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nielsen@uidaho.edu" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I am not interpreting anything in the Bible, Donovan. I am simply quoting it without comment. How can that be corrupted? I didn't write the Bible, did I? Here is what God said, believe it or not:</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Trebuchet MS" face="Trebuchet MS" size=4>"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 13, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>The Bible is not the law of the land. And I don't know of any men, including Wilson, that want to adopt Leviticus or Exodus as such. </DIV>
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<DIV>God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them. </DIV>
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<DIV>Women were sold in ancient times, or given a dowry, in order to repay the father for the cost of raising and protecting her, which was expensive to do. You have to watch them 24 hours a day. </DIV>
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<DIV>Your interpretation of God, and the Bible seems extremely corrupted. Perhaps it is your prejudice against people that know a loving God exists. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/13/09, Ralph Nielsen <I><<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nielsen@uidaho.edu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>nielsen@uidaho.edu</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Ralph Nielsen <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nielsen@uidaho.edu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>nielsen@uidaho.edu</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 8 year old girl denied divorce<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:54 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>I don't think anyone suggested that he was, Donovan. But there are all too many like him who want to make it the law of the land. </DIV>
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<DIV>As I pointed out, the God of the Bible says it is OK for a father to sell his daughter into slavery. Doug seems to lack a sense of morality so he goes by the rule that if it's biblical, it's moral.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>Wilson is not the law of the land. He is not in a position to enforce his religious symbolism literally on the country. Only people that wish to follow his words do, not by force.</DIV>
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<DIV>There seems to be a deep sense of confusion amongst some liberals between religious symbolism and an actual judge and government forcing an 8 year old girl to marry a 40-something year old man.</DIV>
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<DIV>As a Christian, I believe, and my religious leaders will tell me, to honor my Mother and Father, and I willfully try to do so. However, they are not advocating that it be law that I do whatever my parents tell me to do as an adult.</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't know Wilson theology, but I am sure he is against 8 year old girls being forced to marry and do whatever a 40 year old man tells her to do. I am sure he is also against the buying and selling of people as property. But even if he wasn't, who cares, he isn't in a position, or seeking a position, to enforce it. I am concerned with those that are being forced right now, and an ancient system of governing that is operates serious injustices against people, especially women and children.</DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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