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<BR>Roger, this attachment just displayed as a bunch of code. Are you spreading Confiker Worms instead of Palouse Worms? {;O)<BR>
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Don<BR><EM><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif" size=3></FONT></EM> <BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>> From: vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 34, Issue 53<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:25:11 -0700<BR>> <BR>> Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<BR>> vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020<BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> vision2020-owner@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>> <BR>> 1. Re: National Service? (lfalen)<BR>> 2. Re: Six gay men shot to death in Iraq (Donovan Arnold)<BR>> 3. Fw: Fw: [Spam] Fw: Just how bad IS the Economy? (lfalen)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:23:14 -0700<BR>> From: lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] National Service?<BR>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>, <bear@moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen"<BR>> <thansen@moscow.com>, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID: <b38b488b2ebd1052d43c4c40d4bb5d21@turbonet.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>> <BR>> I would agree with you on this Tom. There is nothing wrong with National Service, but it should be voluntary. If it is mandatory ther is some danger( however small) of it becoming an indoctrination center.<BR>> Roger<BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: Tom Hansen thansen@moscow.com<BR>> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:19:03 -0700<BR>> To: bear@moscow.com, Tom Hansen thansen@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] National Service?<BR>> <BR>> > To a degree I agree with you, Bear.<BR>> > <BR>> > Along with benefits comes responsibility, obligation, and accountability.<BR>> > <BR>> > Too often people are willing to accept the benefits without any concern <BR>> > for their neighbors.<BR>> > <BR>> > As much as I would like to see everybody walk that extra mile, I simply do <BR>> > not feel it should be required.<BR>> > <BR>> > True loyalty and commitment is reflected in the manner in which a person <BR>> > responds to the simple question "Why are you here?" To those who <BR>> > respond, "Because I was told to" I have no faith. To those who <BR>> > respond, "Because I want to" I owe my gratitude.<BR>> > <BR>> > Tom Hansen<BR>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> > <BR>> > > Tom,<BR>> > > <BR>> > > I've read the Bill, and it's not a bad idea, but it doesn't go far <BR>> > enough. Everyone in<BR>> > > America <BR>> > > today runs around talking about "rights", but with every right, there <BR>> > is, or should be a <BR>> > > "responsibility". Where is the responsibility to the nation for most of <BR>> > America today?<BR>> > > <BR>> > > I'm in favor of national service, and especially in hard economic times, <BR>> > it makes sense.<BR>> > > What is <BR>> > > wrong with requiring some kind of national service? It doesn't have to <BR>> > be in the military,<BR>> > <BR>> > > but <BR>> > > there are many many ways it could be accomplished, and there would have <BR>> > to be some type of<BR>> > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > non-discrimination clause in it, and what I mean by that is "everyone" <BR>> > goes. No exemptions<BR>> > <BR>> > > of <BR>> > > any kind to include gender, religion,race or orientation. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > There could be a national construction organization, national health, <BR>> > national<BR>> > > administration, <BR>> > > national education and of course the military. In other words, no more <BR>> > free rides. The <BR>> > > universities and civil service at all levels would no longer be staffed <BR>> > by people that<BR>> > > have a <BR>> > > secure niche that they settled into while others were out serving their <BR>> > nation in one way<BR>> > > or <BR>> > > another. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that they wouldn't be <BR>> > involved in foreign<BR>> > > service in <BR>> > > support of national policies. We are spending hundreds of thousands of <BR>> > dollar right now<BR>> > > for <BR>> > > everything from electricians to police officers, to cooks, for <BR>> > contractors overseas.<BR>> > > These <BR>> > > positions could be filled by national service personnel.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > I was really amazed when I actually looked at the backgrounds of people <BR>> > getting the "good <BR>> > <BR>> > > jobs" in government, and what their "service" backgrounds are. Take a <BR>> > look at the Board of<BR>> > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Education/Regents, how many served? And if you think that number is low, <BR>> > take a look at<BR>> > > both <BR>> > > the faculty and higher administrators at the University! From what I've <BR>> > seen, non of the <BR>> > <BR>> > > candidates for the presidents job at the University are veterans or have <BR>> > they done any<BR>> > > type of <BR>> > > national service, but it's not a suprise because the people selecting <BR>> > them for those<BR>> > > position <BR>> > > haven't served either! <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Comments?<BR>> > > <BR>> > ___________________________________________________________________________<BR>> > ____________<BR>> > > > "I believe that there is a very strong chance that we will see that <BR>> > young <BR>> > > > people will be put into mandatory service. And the real concern is <BR>> > that <BR>> > > > there are provisions for what I would call re-education camps for <BR>> > young <BR>> > > > people..."<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > - Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn), on the Edward M. Kennedy Serve <BR>> > America <BR>> > > > Act<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > -------------<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act<BR>> > > > http://edlabor.house.gov/blog/2009/03/the-edward-m-kennedy-serve-<BR>> > ame.shtml<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Nope. No re-education camps or forced labor.<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Tom Hansen<BR>> > > > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Join us at The First Annual Intolerista Wingding, April 17th, <BR>> > featuring <BR>> > > > Roy Zimmerman and Jeanne McHale. For details go to . . .<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > http://www.MoscowCares.com/Wingding<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Seeya<BR>> > > > there.<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > ---------------------------------------------<BR>> > > > This message was sent by First Step Internet.<BR>> > > > http://www.fsr.com/<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > =======================================================<BR>> > > > List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> > > > http://www.fsr.net <BR>> > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > > =======================================================<BR>> > > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > ---------------------------------------------<BR>> > > This message was sent by First Step Internet.<BR>> > > http://www.fsr.com/<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Join us at The First Annual Intolerista Wingding, April 17th, featuring <BR>> > Roy Zimmerman and Jeanne McHale. For details go to . . .<BR>> > <BR>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com/Wingding<BR>> > <BR>> > Seeya<BR>> > there.<BR>> > <BR>> > ---------------------------------------------<BR>> > This message was sent by First Step Internet.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.com/<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> > http://www.fsr.net <BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 2<BR>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:23:29 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq<BR>> To: Mo Hendrickson <hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu><BR>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID: <957360.49829.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> Mo,<BR>> ?<BR>> If what you say is at all truthful, can you show me one publication from a professor?in?this department that used the word "Xian"?<BR>> ?<BR>> I am sure "X' and I am sure "P" and I am sure "ian" and "ians" were all used. But I really doubt the muffed up offensive contraption of "Xians" is used by any legitimate group of historians or religious scholars in their professional works. <BR>> ?<BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> ?<BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mo Hendrickson <hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Mo Hendrickson <hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu><BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq<BR>> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:12 PM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> #yiv239949018 .hmmessage P<BR>> {<BR>> margin:0px;padding:0px;}<BR>> #yiv239949018 {<BR>> font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}<BR>> <BR>> Funny, when?I was working on?my?BA in Religion at a?conservative Christian school, we were not only taught that 'X' is an acceptable way to refer to Christ, we also used?it on a regular basis.?I guess the entire department and all of the Biblical scholars I studied under were wrong.? <BR>> ?<BR>> -Mo?<BR>> ?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:30:32 -0700<BR>> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> To: nielsen@uidaho.edu<BR>> CC: Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ralph,<BR>> ?<BR>> That is a urban myth.?Christians have never?called themselves Xians.?And it is an offense to millions of people to use an "X" in place of the name of Christ. <BR>> ?<BR>> Do you spell African American with two Gs and give a false history as to why it is OK to call them that? <BR>> ?<BR>> No, you wouldn't. So don't do it to any?others. <BR>> ?<BR>> I know you do it to disrespect. So knock off your bigotry off, please.<BR>> ?<BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> ?<BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq<BR>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>> Cc: "vision 2020" <Vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:19 AM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Xian is a centuries-old abbreviation for Christian. And Xmas for Christmas is also centuries old. They are based on the even older use of X or XP for Christ. I thought you as a Catholic would be aware of this.?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ralph<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Puke,<BR>> ?<BR>> Why do you use the term "Xians"? It is offensive.<BR>> ?<BR>> Best Regards.<BR>> ?<BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Six gay men shot to death in Iraq<BR>> To: "vision 2020" <Vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:04 AM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> To everybody,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Don't forget that the Nazis hated gays just as much as Jews. They sent both groups to concentration and extermination camps.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> And both groups are condemned in the New Testament. Some Xians love that fact.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ralph<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.???<BR>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ???http://www.fsr.net? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???<BR>> ? ? ? ? ? mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20090407/12fad64a/attachment-0001.html <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 3<BR>> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:25:11 -0700<BR>> From: lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Fw: Fw: [Spam] Fw: Just how bad IS the Economy?<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID: <3a880e900d1a2842510637559ecdca18@turbonet.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> <BR>> From: rafalen rafalen@turbonet.com<BR>> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:03:03 -0700<BR>> To: rowan33@suddenlink.net<BR>> Subject: Fw: [Spam] Fw: Just how bad IS the Economy?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> <BR>> From: "Krista Parkins" bkparkins@cpcinternet.com<BR>> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:02:34 -0700<BR>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:<BR>> Subject: [Spam] Fw: Just how bad IS the Economy?<BR>> <BR>> Message<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Cats are so dramatic!!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An embedded message was scrubbed...<BR>> From: rafalen <rafalen@turbonet.com><BR>> Subject: Fw: [Spam] Fw: Just how bad IS the Economy?<BR>> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:03:03 -0700<BR>> Size: 47921<BR>> Url: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20090407/b9b5a0f9/attachment.mht <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> <BR>> End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 34, Issue 53<BR>> ******************************************<BR><br /><hr />Rediscover HotmailŪ: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry <a href='http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009' target='_new'>Check it out.</a></body>
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