<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>All I meant was that you couldn't do a single test on the thesis, not that it was unsupported by evidence.<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Apr 5, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Joe Campbell wrote:</div>
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<div>It isn't as if you could test global warming anyway. Any tests would have to be done on <br>some aspect of the theory and I imagine such tests are being done.</div>
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<div>Do you wish to retract your statement, given your rather puzzling assertion that "It isn't as if you could test global warming anyway." assuming you accept the validity of the scientific information presented below from NOAA on the scientific efforts regarding "testing" global warming theory, that have been ongoing for decades? There is a compelling reason that the IPCC issues definitive statements regarding the future impacts of anthropogenic climate change: The theory <strong>has</strong> <strong>been tested</strong> for decades. I am astonished that an academic of your standing would write such an irresponsible statement about one of the most important scientific issues of our time.</div>
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<div>Ted Moffett</div>
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<div><a class="l" onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','res','2','')" href="http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/welcome.html"><font color="#551a8b">NOAA 200th Top Tens: Breakthroughs: The First <strong>Climate Model</strong></font></a></div>
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<div>Testing the Notion of Global Warming</div>
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<div>Two scientists from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, Drs. Syukuro Manabe and Kirk Bryan, published the model results in 1969. By the 1970s, general circulation models emerged as a central tool in climate research. Dr. Manabe and Mr. Dick Wetherald later used this original model to simulate the first three-dimensional experiment to test the notion of global warming. Their groundbreaking results were published in 1975. </div>
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<div>The First Climate Model</div>
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<div><a href="http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/welcome.html"><a href="http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/welcome.html">http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/welcome.html</a></a></div>
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<div><a href="http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/GFDL_HPCC.html"><img title="computing infrastructure that can hold 2,000 terabytes" height="168" alt="computing infrastructure that can hold 2,000 terabytes" src="http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/GFDL_HPCC220.jpg" width="220" border="0"></a>
<p>To accommodate growth in the size of model outputs, NOAA has invested in a computing infrastructure that can hold 2,000 terabytes (or two million gigabytes) of data. With this capacity, scientists now have the ability to store global climate data on a weekly or even daily basis to investigate climate change.</p>
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<div><a href="http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/Obstrends.html"><img title="Observed trends in surface air temperature from 1960-1990" height="220" alt="Observed trends in surface air temperature from 1960-1990" src="http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/climate_model/Obstrends220.jpg" width="220" border="0"></a>
<p>Computer models have long predicted that the climate change will affect Arctic and subarctic regions earlier and more dramatically than other parts of the world. Recent studies show marked increases in temperature and many other climate variables across much of the far north. Observed trends in surface air temperature from 1960-1990 (shown above in degrees centigrade) demonstrate "polar amplification,” with largest temperature increases (shown in red and magenta) occurring near the North Pole.</p>
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<p>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</p></div>
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