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<DIV>I am saddened for you that you think Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, John Adam, Thomas Jefferson, and our founding fathers were "terrorists". </DIV>
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<DIV>But again, I advise you to re-examine your history books if you don't think there were elected Representatives of the original colonies when they created the US Constitution and the Articles of Confederation. The legislatures of the varies states elected them. Further, the Crown was not elected, that was representing and denying them their basic civil rights granted to other subjects of the Crown. </DIV>
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<DIV>I also invite you to examine your believe that the US threw out elected democratic leaders in Iraq and Afghanistan. </DIV>
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<DIV>The US government has every right to attack Afghanistan or any nation that attacks it. It had every right to detain terrorists for the protection of its people. Obama agrees, because they are still there in Cuba. </DIV>
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<DIV>Many of the"terrorists" that so many liberals feel sorry for in the Guantanamo Bay Prison are actually better off there than in the countries willing to take them. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/1/09, bear@moscow.com <I><bear@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: bear@moscow.com <bear@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Sunil <SPAN>Ramalingam</SPAN>" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>, bear@moscow.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 3:10 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Donovan,<BR><BR>We finally agree on something! <BR><BR>The executive branch didn't wait for a decision by the Federal Courts before it decided<BR>that the <BR>POW's were "terrorists" or were national security threats. They could have by the way<BR>gotten an <BR>advisory opinion. They just rounded them up and tossed them into Guantánamo Bay Detention <BR>Camp, which in their convoluted logic put the prisoners OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of US<BR>Federal <BR>law, even though they were/are being held on a US military base. The Federal Courts have <BR>disagreed. The executive branch did so at its peril, as there are now international<BR>indictments <BR>being looked into and I also fully expect that there will be US Federal criminal charges<BR>brought <BR>against those responsible. Which, by the way is MORE judicial oversight than they gave<BR>the <BR>poor SOB's that they locked up there! And just wait
till the civil suits start rolling in!<BR><BR><BR><BR>And I agree with your definition of a terrorist as someone who uses violence or threatens<BR>the<BR>use of violence, or someone who assists those, as a means of achieving a<BR>political or social goal, without the backing of an elected group of people<BR>or legitimate government.<BR><BR>WHO in Iraq or Afghanistan elected the US to do what we did or are doing there? No one! So<BR>by <BR>your definition, WE are the terrorists in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And we did over throw<BR><BR>legitimately elected governments to do that. You may not agree with the kind of<BR>governments <BR>that were elected, and you might not like the way they were elected, but does the US have<BR>any <BR>say so in HOW other countries elect they governments?<BR><BR>But that's ok, since again, based on your definition, we were founded as a nation by<BR>terrorists.<BR>There was NO election or legitimate government of the
13 separate colonies so the folks<BR>that <BR>formed the colonial armed forces were in fact, again, according to your definition,<BR>terrorists.<BR>Is there any doubts in your mind that "traitors" like Ben Franklin and George Washington<BR>would <BR>have been hung for treason?<BR><BR>My whole point is that one man's terrorist is another mans Freedom Fighter. Both Nelson <BR>Mandella in Africa, and Menachem Begin started out as terrorists.<BR><BR>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> Bear, <BR>> The executive branch doesn't wait for a decision to be made by a US<BR>Federal Court to hold a prisoner of war or a person of national security.<BR> <BR>To me a terrorist is someone who uses violence or threatens the<BR>use of violence, or someone who assists those, as a means of achieving a<BR>political or social goal, without the backing of an elected group
of people<BR>or legitimate government. <BR>> Best Regards, <BR>> Donovan<BR><BR><BR><BR>---------------------------------------------<BR>This message was sent by First Step Internet.<BR> <A href="http://www.fsr.com/" target=_blank>http://www.fsr.com/</A><BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<BR><BR>
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