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<DIV>The US did break international law during WWI and WWII. </DIV>
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<DIV>Japanese Interment Camps and the dropping of two nuclear bombs on civilian populations. </DIV>
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<DIV>In WWI it assisted the Allies with Chemical Weapons, and shipped military equipment on civilian ships. </DIV>
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<DIV>The Bay of Pigs Invasion, which started the Cuban Missile Crisis, was also in violation of International Law. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 3/30/09, Tom Hansen <I><thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, "Sunil <SPAN>Ramalingam</SPAN>" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><BR>Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 12:11 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Arnold inquired:<BR><BR>"Can you cite where the US did not break international law when its self <BR>preservation was at risk?"<BR><BR>Should I start with Word War 1 or World War 2?<BR><BR>Or maybe the famous "Missiles of October [1962]" where the Soviet Union <BR>installed missiles (armed with nuclear warheads) on Cuba.<BR><BR>There are many, many moe, Arnold. I'll just leave you to oionder those <BR>(for now).<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR>Former participant in the Southeast Asia Wargames (Class of '70)<BR><BR><BR>> Sunil,<BR>> <BR>> The Constitution is the Supreme law of the land, is it not? Thus it<BR>superse> des international law. <BR>> <BR>> Can you cite where they US did not break international law when its self<BR>> preservation was at risk?<BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Sunil Ramalingam <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>> <BR>wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Sunil Ramalingam <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for<BR>> To: "vision 2020" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>> Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:07 AM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> #yiv78064692 .hmmessage P<BR>> {<BR>> margin:0px;padding:0px;}<BR>> #yiv78064692 {<BR>> font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}<BR>> <BR>> Donovan,<BR>> <BR>> Can you cite a legal defense for your proposition,
" I didn't suggest<BR>that.> I said the US can break international law if it needs to in order <BR>to<BR>prote> ct its own interests."<BR>> <BR>> Or is it simply 'Might makes right,' as Dave suggests?<BR>> <BR>> Sunil<BR>> <BR>> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:54:09 -0700<BR>> > From: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tiedye@turbonet.com" ymailto="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com">tiedye@turbonet.com</A><BR>> > To: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for<BR>> > <BR>> > Of course we CAN, we are the big bad ass empire, we can get away with<BR>> > anything (and often do), the question is SHOULD we. And what can we do<BR>> > to establish an actual rule of law?<BR>> > <BR>> > Donovan,
what good is a "law" if no one follows it? If I felt it were<BR>nec> essary to bulldoze your house to "protect" my interests, what would <BR>stop<BR>me> ?<BR>> > <BR>> > Dave<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> > > "Are you suggesting that we are justified in torturing prisoners,<BR>burni> ng<BR>> > > down villages, and attacking non-combatants simply because these<BR>inhuma> ne<BR>> > > actions serve our purposes?"-Tom Hansen<BR>> > > <BR>> > > I didn't suggest that. I said the US can break international law if <BR>it<BR>> > > needs to in order to protect its own interests.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Best Regards,<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > --- On *Mon, 3/30/09, Tom Hansen /<<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>>/* wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > From: Tom Hansen <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest<BR>> > > Warrants for<BR>> > > To: "vision 2020" <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>>, "Sunil Ramalingam"<BR>> > > <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>><BR>> > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 10:04 AM<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Arnold stated:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > "Not true, the US can violate
international law in order to<BR>> > > protect its<BR>> > > own interests."<BR>> > ><BR>> > > This comment extends WAY BEYOND the pale.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > International law such as those prescribed by the Geneva Accords<BR>> > > of 1949?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Are you suggesting that we are justified in torturing prisoners,<BR>> > > burning<BR>> > > down villages, and attacking non-combatants simply because these<BR>> > > inhumane<BR>> > > actions serve our purposes?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > The ends does NOT justify the means!!!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > If so, I suggest we change our nattional motto "E Plurubus Unum"<BR>> > > to "Do as<BR>> > > I say, not as I do."<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tom Hansen<BR>> > > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Join us at The First
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