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Yes but wasn't this right created during a time where arms meant muskets not machine guns?<BR>
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Just sayin.. <BR> <BR>
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From: editor@lataheagle.com<BR>To: sslund_2007@verizon.net; sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<BR>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:43:04 -0700<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simple.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Driving is a privelege.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ownership of firearms is a right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I really don't get what part of that people don't "get".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We have law upon law upon law controlling gun ownership, yet idiots who think everyone with a gun is a threat keep passing more and more restrictive laws.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thumbprints? Notification of change of address? A photo kept on file?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why does this bring to mind the sexual offender registry? Don't sexual offenders have a number of similar regulations?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At least they got a trial.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=editor@lataheagle.com href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">'Kai Eiselein'</A> ; <A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">'Sunil Ramalingam'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'vision 2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:20 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)</DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Didn’t we already get there when the same started being required for things like driver’s licenses??? While I’m not up on what your concerns might be with this particular piece of legislation, can you explain why you think the licensing of firearms should be easier than getting a driver’s license?</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Besides, after the huge erosions of the previous eight years under King George, forgive me if I can’t get too worked up about what seem to be to be common sense changes to the licensing of firearms. Personally, I think gun advocates do themselves a huge disservice and make the issue far more divisive than it needs to be by fighting against common sense changes designed to stop the huge trafficking in illegal firearms.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">For those interested in reading the full text, here’s a link I hope works:</SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A href="http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text">http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text</A></SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Also, why are you so much more concerned about a bill that’s highly unlikely to pass (IMHO – there are no co-sponsors) than you are about legislation that can have very real detrimental effects on health care in Idaho and weasle religious beliefs and conscience into the free market to interfer with the doctor-patient relationship?</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra Lund</SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow, ID</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~ Edmund Burke</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****</SPAN></B></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm refering to H.R.45 AKA: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Which will require gun purchasers to be licensed, photographed, fingerprinted and notify the government of address changes.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">We are headed into brave new world... just like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and any number of other totalitarian states.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:44 AM</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Kai,<BR><BR>I came up with a blank page when I followed your link. What are you focusing on here?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>> From: <A href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">editor@lataheagle.com</A><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>; <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:42:02 -0700<BR>> CC: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)<BR>> <BR>> Frankly, I'm more worried about this bill in Congress:<BR>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45.IH:<BR>> <BR>> Just one more step on the road to a totalitarian state.<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><BR>> Cc: <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:20 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >A better bill would allow McDonald's workers to refuse to serve those<BR>> > who are overweight. I'd love the right to refuse to read papers using<BR>> > bad arguments.<BR>> ><BR>> > Joe Campbell<BR>> ><BR>> > On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> Courtesy of the Spokesman Review's blog site.<BR>> >><BR>> >> ---------------------------------------------<BR>> >><BR>> >> Pharmacist conscience bill heads for amendment<BR>> >> at 8:04 a.m. on March 18<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rep. Tom Loertscher’s bill to give pharmacists or “any person”<BR>> >> the right<BR>> >> to refuse to fill a prescription for a patient on the basis of<BR>> >> conscience<BR>> >> is headed for the House’s amending order, to revise the bill so it a<BR>> >> pplies<BR>> >> only to pharmacists - not to cashiers, stores, or others. Rep. Lynn<BR>> >> Luker,<BR>> >> R-Boise, proposed the amendments. “It’s simply a matter of burden<BR>> >> of<BR>> >> proof,” he said. “I don’t think it will change in any way the<BR>> >> current<BR>> >> practices, because people do have that right.” Emotional testimony o<BR>> >> n the<BR>> >> bill stretched for two days before it was approved for amendment on<BR>> >> a 14-4<BR>> >> vote. The testimony included pharmacists and other experts who said<BR>> >> Idaho<BR>> >> pharmacists already have the right to refuse to fill a prescription;<BR>> >> Idaho<BR>> >> has no law requiring them to fill all prescriptions. Among those who<BR>> >> testified was pharmacist Gloria Hansen, who said, “I do know that we<BR>> >> need<BR>> >> to act according to our conscience. .. I lean on the rock which is the<BR>> >> lord God.”<BR>> >><BR>> >> ---------------------------------------------<BR>> >><BR>> >> It is truly a sad day in Idaho for those citizens whose ethics,<BR>> >> morals,<BR>> >> and religious beliefs differ from those of their pharmacist.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Query: If an asthmatic, living in extremely rural Idaho, dependent on<BR>> >> inhalers for survival, is refused access to such much-needed<BR>> >> inhalers, by<BR>> >> his/her pharmacist, because (s)he is gay or his/her<BR>> >> ethics/morals/religious beliefs differ from his/her pharmacist's<BR>> >> ethics/morals/religious beliefs . . . and the asthmatic dies as a<BR>> >> result . . . is the pharmacist guilty of ANYTHING?<BR>> >><BR>> >> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Tom Hansen<BR>> >> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> >><BR>> >> Join us at The First Annual Intolerista Wingding, April 17th,<BR>> >> featuring<BR>> >> Roy Zimmerman and Jeanne McHale. For details go to . . .<BR>> >><BR>> >> http://www.MoscowCares.com/Wingding<BR>> >><BR>> >> Seeya<BR>> >> there.<BR>> >><BR>> >> ---------------------------------------------<BR>> >> This message was sent by First Step Internet.<BR>> >> http://www.fsr.com/<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> >> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> ><BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================</SPAN></P>
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