Kai -- <div><br></div><div>Likewise, note the bill's sponsor. It's Bobby Rush, former Black Panther; a congressman that has a well-deserved reputation as a total nut. Consider also that he's facing re-election pressure in his district due to his support of Roland Burris, and proposed this particular bill after a prominent murder (the eponymous Blair Holt's) in his crime-ridden home district. Consider that this bill has not, and is unlikely to, make it out of committee. And consider that even if it does, it's not going to make it through Congress, and even if it does, it's clearly unconstitutional under Heller. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Idiot fearmongering is all this is.</div><div><br></div><div>-- ACS</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Kai Eiselein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">editor@lataheagle.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Simple.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Driving is a privelege.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ownership of firearms is a right.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I really don't get what part of that people don't
"get".</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">We have law upon law upon law controlling gun
ownership, yet idiots who think everyone with a gun is a threat keep passing
more and more restrictive laws.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thumbprints? Notification of change of address? A
photo kept on file?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Why does this bring to mind the sexual offender
registry? Don't sexual offenders have a number of similar
regulations?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">At least they got a trial.</font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background:#e4e4e4;font:10pt arial"><b>From:</b>
<a title="sslund_2007@verizon.net" href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net" target="_blank">Saundra
Lund</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="editor@lataheagle.com" href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com" target="_blank">'Kai Eiselein'</a> ; <a title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">'Sunil Ramalingam'</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">'vision 2020'</a> </div>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:20
AM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] House Bill 216
(Pharmacist Conscience Bill)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d">Kai
wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d">“</span><span style="font-size:10pt">We are headed
into brave new world... just like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and any
number of other totalitarian states.”</span><span style="color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d">Didn’t we already
get there when the same started being required for things like driver’s
licenses??? While I’m not up on what your concerns might be with this
particular piece of legislation, can you explain why you think the licensing
of firearms should be easier than getting a driver’s
license?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d">Besides, after the
huge erosions of the previous eight years under King George, forgive me if I
can’t get too worked up about what seem to be to be common sense changes to
the licensing of firearms. Personally, I think gun advocates do
themselves a huge disservice and make the issue far more divisive than it
needs to be by fighting against common sense changes designed to stop the huge
trafficking in illegal firearms.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d">For those
interested in reading the full text, here’s a link I hope
works:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text" target="_blank">http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d">Also, why are you
so much more concerned about a bill that’s highly unlikely to pass (IMHO –
there are no co-sponsors) than you are about legislation that can have very
real detrimental effects on health care in Idaho and weasle religious beliefs
and conscience into the free market to interfer with the doctor-patient
relationship?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p></div>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d">Saundra
Lund</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d">Moscow,
ID</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d">~
Edmund Burke</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:#1f497d">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****</span></b></p>
<p><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt">
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Kai Eiselein<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:05
AM<br><b>To:</b> Sunil Ramalingam<br><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience
Bill)</span></p></div></div>
<p> </p>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt">I'm refering to
H.R.45 AKA: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of
2009</span><span style="font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt">Which will require
gun purchasers to be licensed, photographed, fingerprinted and notify the
government of address changes.</span><span style="font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt">We are headed
into brave new world... just like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and any
number of other totalitarian states.</span><span style="font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt">----- Original
Message ----- </span></p></div>
<div>
<p style="background:#e4e4e4"><b><span style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt"> <a title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Sunil Ramalingam</a>
</span></p></div>
<div>
<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt"> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision
2020</a> </span></p></div>
<div>
<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt"> Wednesday, March
18, 2009 10:44 AM</span></p></div>
<div>
<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt"> Re: [Vision2020]
House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)</span></p></div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></p></div>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt">Kai,<br><br>I
came up with a blank page when I followed your link. What are you
focusing on here?<br><br>Sunil<br><br>> From: <a href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com" target="_blank">editor@lataheagle.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
> Date: Wed,
18 Mar 2009 09:42:02 -0700<br>> CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience
Bill)<br>> <br>> Frankly, I'm more worried about this bill in
Congress:<br>>
<a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45.IH" target="_blank">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45.IH</a>:<br>> <br>> Just
one more step on the road to a totalitarian state.<br>> <br>> -----
Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Joe Campbell"
<<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: "Tom Hansen"
<<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>> Cc: <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:20 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)<br>> <br>> <br>> >A
better bill would allow McDonald's workers to refuse to serve those<br>>
> who are overweight. I'd love the right to refuse to read papers
using<br>> > bad arguments.<br>> ><br>> > Joe
Campbell<br>> ><br>> > On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Tom Hansen
<<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> Courtesy of
the Spokesman Review's blog site.<br>> >><br>> >>
---------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>>
>> Pharmacist conscience bill heads for amendment<br>> >> at
8:04 a.m. on March 18<br>> >><br>> >> Rep. Tom
Loertscher’s bill to give pharmacists or “any person”<br>> >> the
right<br>> >> to refuse to fill a prescription for a patient on the
basis of<br>> >> conscience<br>> >> is headed for the
House’s amending order, to revise the bill so it a<br>> >>
pplies<br>> >> only to pharmacists - not to cashiers, stores, or
others. Rep. Lynn<br>> >> Luker,<br>> >> R-Boise, proposed
the amendments. “It’s simply a matter of burden<br>> >> of<br>>
>> proof,” he said. “I don’t think it will change in any way
the<br>> >> current<br>> >> practices, because people do
have that right.” Emotional testimony o<br>> >> n the<br>>
>> bill stretched for two days before it was approved for amendment
on<br>> >> a 14-4<br>> >> vote. The testimony included
pharmacists and other experts who said<br>> >> Idaho<br>>
>> pharmacists already have the right to refuse to fill a
prescription;<br>> >> Idaho<br>> >> has no law requiring
them to fill all prescriptions. Among those who<br>> >> testified
was pharmacist Gloria Hansen, who said, “I do know that we<br>> >>
need<br>> >> to act according to our conscience. .. I lean on the
rock which is the<br>> >> lord God.”<br>> >><br>>
>> ---------------------------------------------<br>>
>><br>> >> It is truly a sad day in Idaho for those citizens
whose ethics,<br>> >> morals,<br>> >> and religious
beliefs differ from those of their pharmacist.<br>> >><br>>
>> Query: If an asthmatic, living in extremely rural Idaho, dependent
on<br>> >> inhalers for survival, is refused access to such
much-needed<br>> >> inhalers, by<br>> >> his/her
pharmacist, because (s)he is gay or his/her<br>> >>
ethics/morals/religious beliefs differ from his/her pharmacist's<br>>
>> ethics/morals/religious beliefs . . . and the asthmatic dies as
a<br>> >> result . . . is the pharmacist guilty of
ANYTHING?<br>> >><br>> >> Seeya round town,
Moscow.<br>> >><br>> >> Tom Hansen<br>> >>
Moscow, Idaho<br>> >><br>> >> Join us at The First Annual
Intolerista Wingding, April 17th,<br>> >> featuring<br>>
>> Roy Zimmerman and Jeanne McHale. For details go to . . .<br>>
>><br>> >> <a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com/Wingding" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com/Wingding</a><br>>
>><br>> >> Seeya<br>> >> there.<br>>
>><br>> >>
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