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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> "I can certainly see situations (as Saundra
Lund notes) where medical providers, citing their religious beliefs, refuse to
provide prenatal care to various clients, refuse to give ED medication,
refuse to do reconstructive surgery."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm thinking that you imagine the situations more
vividly then you might see them. Let's leave the religious aspect of this
discussion aside for a moment. While I find it more then a little hard to
believe that any other then the tiniest fraction of medical providers would
withhold the services you list, I still would have to ask, so what? Get a
different provider. As I have argued in the past, all purveyors of goods and/or
services, whether they be landlords, physicians, pharmacists, bankers,
grocers, mechanics, or anyone else should be free to decide who they
want to work for and sell to based on whatever whim strikes their fancy.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're apparently in favor of the right to be
irresponsible. You're in favor of the right to not deal with the consequences of
irresponsible behavior. Above all else you're in favor of the right to choose.
What about my and others rights? Why does the right to choose supersede everyone
else's right to view innocent life as something special and worthy of
protection? What is it about your rights that are so special that I have to be
forced to join with you in exercising them against my will?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=london@moscow.com href="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill London</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=sslund_2007@verizon.net href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra
Lund</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:17
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Obama to
Rescind Conscience Rule</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That is the core of the problem
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You say that an abortion is "the death of a
child" and as such trumps the normal requirements of professionalism (doctors
should be able to refuse to do such things based upon their religious
convictions)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However, not everyone agrees with you..not your
definition of abortion nor what constitutes a religious
conviction</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Religious convictions come in a wide range of
flavors. I can certainly see situations (as Saundra Lund notes) where
medical providers, citing their religious beliefs, refuse to provide prenatal
care to various clients, refuse to give ED medication, refuse to do
reconstructive surgery.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BL</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:11
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Obama to
Rescind Conscience Rule</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">"Third, I
personally was looking forward to seeing Mr. Crabtree’s howls of indignation
the first time a clinic refused to provide prenatal care to a welfare mother
with more children than she can support. Or, the first time a married
woman was denied insurance coverage for baby number three, four, five, or
more. Or, the first time one of his buddies was denied his ED
medication. Or, a loved one was denied reconstructive surgery
following a mastectomy. And so forth."</SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><FONT
color=#000000>She sets 'em up and she knocks 'em down! The straw men, that
is. </FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><FONT
color=#000000>She then goes on to make a specious argument that
involves fiscal responsibility. It's good to start ones day with a hearty
belly laugh. Keep it up Ms.Lund. Now that D.L. Hughley is a "journalist/news
commentator" there's a slot for angry comedienne that's come open. The
similarity in hairdo's should aid in the
transition.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><FONT
color=#000000>The fact of the matter is that not one of your
examples forces the health care provider to be complicit in the death
of a child. Yip and squeal all you like, killing people is not the
equivalent of being denied a boner pill and someone who thinks our new
demander in chief trots on water really has no chops for making an economic
responsibility presentation.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><FONT
color=#000000>g</FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Obama to
Rescind Conscience Rule</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Tongue planted
firmly in cheek, I have to say that I don’t think the Conscience Rule was
all bad </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> Of
course, it helps that it was drafted by morons who didn’t bother to think
about anything other than trying to ram their beliefs down the throats –
and into the pocketbooks – of everyone.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">First, I think
folks should read what it actually says and what it actually
requires. It’s freely available in the CRF – have a good
read.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Second, isn’t
it absolutely amazing that so many of the people – who lost the election –
are screaming about evil government and wanting to keep evil government as
small as possible except when they want it to advance their personal
agendas? Why, the unmasking of the hypocrisy alone is worth the
price of admission, isn’t it?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Third, I
personally was looking forward to seeing Mr. Crabtree’s howls of
indignation the first time a clinic refused to provide prenatal care to a
welfare mother with more children than she can support. Or, the
first time a married woman was denied insurance coverage for baby number
three, four, five, or more. Or, the first time one of his buddies
was denied his ED medication. Or, a loved one was denied
reconstructive surgery following a mastectomy. And so
forth.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Because, of
course, the “Conscience Rule” allowed health providers (the definition of
which was incredibly broad) to refuse to provide, participate in (even
tangentially), provide referrals, or process claims and payments not only
on the basis of “sincere religious belief,” but also “moral
conviction.” Thus, health care delivery in this country was turned
into an arena where others were given free rein to force their religious
beliefs and moral convictions on the rest of us.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And, let’s
think . . . just for a minute . . . about implementation. In order
to maintain adequate standards of care, this moronic “Conscience Rule”
opened the door for employers – including the government – to stick their
noses into the religious beliefs and moral convictions of their employees
and potential employees. How else could they make sure to staff
adequately for whatever situation might arise? You wouldn’t want,
for instance, the only lab employee on duty to be a Jehovah’s Witness who
is willing to do all the work except those pertaining to transfusions if
you were the victim of a drunk driver and needed an emergency blood
transfusion, would you?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So, that
brings us to the next inevitable result: skyrocketing health care
costs. Because in order to maintain adequate standards of care, more
employees would be required at all times to pick up the slack of those
refusing to do all aspects of the jobs they were hired to do. So,
not only was our care – and not just those pertaining to family planning,
reproductive freedom, and end of life care – to be dictated by the
religious beliefs and moral convictions of those calling the shots, but we
were supposed to pay for the increased financial burden of those religious
beliefs and convictions. Yeah, that was gonna be real helpful for
those of us already struggling with out-of-control health care
costs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Yuppers, that
“Conscience Rule” was a real brilliant move conceived by incredibly
brilliant people, huh? It would have been a real hoot to see their
spittle-flecked outraged faces when they realized the Pandora’s Box they
opened.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The only thing
necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~ Edmund
Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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