<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I don't think you can compare the effects of cocaine to that of tobacco. A person can live decades without being seriously impacted by moderate use of tobacco. Cocain easily and quickly destroys lives. <br><br>Second, tobacco is not being smuggled into a nation against the will of the population and creating violence in the streets they must live in. <br><br>Third, I don't think you can justify people growing illegal drugs, no matter their plight. Creating drugs that hurt and kill innocent people is wrong. Period.<br><br>Finally, we are not bombing people, we are bombing crops. Crops that do nothing but make crooks and evil men rich while forcing poor people in labor intensive activities. <br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Donovan<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 2/28/09, Ted <span>Moffett</span> <i><starbliss@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:
2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Ted <span>Moffett</span> <starbliss@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Failed Drug Policies from Nixon to Bush<br>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br>Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:14 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1310682530"><div>Consider the millions of people (the data on this is so well known I will not quote sources anyone can investigate) who have purchased and smoked US grown tobacco, who ended up with lung cancer, other respiratory diseases, or heart disease, not to forget a physical addiction on nicotine impacting personal behavior and finances, to manage the addiction. Now consider if US grown tobacco, generating profits when sold internationally, has been associated with more or less human suffering than cocaine from Columbia, or opium from
Afghanistan. When considering the premature deaths from disease (or even overdose) resulting from tobacco, cocaine or opium, US sourced tobacco has prematurely killed a large enough number of people to justify including it in a short list of the most dangerous drugs.</div>
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<div>This is not to suggest that nations should invade the US to shut down US based tobacco "cartels" who peddle their death dealing drug internationally. But given the reasoning that the US should support military operations in other nations to shut down drug production that is associated with US drug abuse, that generates profits in those foreign nations based on market demand in the US (amazing how sometimes those championing "free market libertarian capitalist consumer demand" logic promote big government socialist campaigns on the issue of drug use and enforcement), then such operations in the US to shut down our death dealing drug production might also be justified. </div>
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<div>If citizens in the US stop purchasing cocaine, heroin etc. then this business will disappear. Drug abuse is a symptom of much deeper problems with our culture. Why are so many people attracted to drug abuse in the US? This is not the fault of those in Colombia or Afghanistan who are involved in cocaine or opium production. Answer this question in a manner that can result in a real change in attitudes, and drug abuse can be lowered. </div>
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<div>Of course, many think military aid to Columbia is more about imposing US foreign policy aims in South American than it really is about stopping cocaine.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/27/09, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sunil Ramalingam</b> <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div>Donovan,<br><br>Do the people we bomb have the right to try to blow up things here? If not, why?<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:07:14 -0800<br>From: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a><br>
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<td style="font-family: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign="top">What Nick doesn't realize is that it isn't the government's responsibility to keep people off drugs. That is the <span>responsibility</span> of the individual. Only you can decide not to use drugs and take responsibility for your behavior and decisions to use or not use drugs, and what you put in your body.<br>
<br>The government has made it clear to anyone who will listen from 5 years old to 105 years old, DON'T USE DRUGS. That is all they can do. They provide information to people for free, and they offer free drug counseling, and help with getting off drug addiction. <br>
<br>I use to drink heavily, and smoke up to three packs of cigarettes a day, and I will not talk about anything else I did because this is a public forum. But it was me, and me alone, that had the power to decide to use and stop using products abusive to my body. <br>
<br>People think it is the responsibility of the government to do things for you. It is not. If people want to use drugs, they will. If they want to get off drugs, they will.<br><br>I as a taxpayer can only do so much, and refuse to take blame for the personal decisions that people make with full knowledge of their actions and behaviors. <br>
<br>The Government didn't fail with drugs, only people that decided not to get off drugs fail. Only people that refuse to take personal responsibility are the ones that fail. <br><br>And who really gives a damn if bombing cocaine fields in South America makes other nations mad. These people are doing wrong, and the US has every right to protect themselves from people trying to do harm to our citizens. <br>
<br>Best Regards,<br>Donovan<br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 2/27/09, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a> <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
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Subject: [Vision2020] Failed Drug Policies from Nixon to Bush<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 8:51 AM<br>
<br><pre>Good Morning Visionaries:<br><br>This is my radio commentary/column for this week. I had Ted Moffett and a<br>friend who's an expert in this area look this over before I polished off the<br>rough draft. <br><br><br>Ted suggested that I add the abuse of pharmaceuticals but the long version was<br>already approaching 2,000 words. Besides Ted has already posted some of the<br>material here on the vision. Thanks, Ted, for your research which is the best on<br><br>the Vision on all the topics you cover.<br><br>I just saw "Nixon/Frost" at the <span><span><span>Kenworthy</span></span></span> and I had to admit that I<br>began to empathize with the most despised of all presidents, but perhaps that<br><br>was because of the superb acting of Frank<br> Langella.<br><br>The group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP)has an excellent video at<br><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Content&pid=28">www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Content&pid=28</a>>.<br><br><br>Nick Gier<br><br>DRUG POLICY FAILURES FROM NIXON TO BUSH<br><br>By Nick Gier<br><br>Every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. <br>What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?<br>--Richard M. Nixon to Robert Haldeman<br><br><br>Nixon is the first post-war president to declare war on drugs. He was<br>determined to enforce a policy that placed marijuana in the same category as<br>heroin. In the early days of Nixon's war, a person caught with any amount of<br><br>marijuana could be sentenced to seven years in prison.<br><br>In 1971 Nixon appointed Pennsylvania Gov. Ray Shafer to chair the National<br>Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse, which unexpectedly recommended that pot<br><br>possession be decriminalized. Always coarse and obscene, Nixon lashed out<br> at<br>members of the
Commission calling them "bastards" and<br>"Jews."<br><br>Since the day Nixon rejected the recommendations of the Shafer Commission,<br><br>fifteen million Americans have been arrested for marijuana charges (88 percent<br>for possession only), but pot dealing and smoking continue unabated. Since 1980<br>the number of drug offenders incarcerated by states increased from 6 percent to<br><br>21 percent and those in federal prisons went from 25 to 57 percent. Sadly, 80<br>percent of all those in prison for drug offenses are either Latinos or African<br>Americans.<br><br>Paramilitary SWAT teams in U.S. cities have been overly aggressive against<br><br>suspected drug dealers. The libertarian CATO Institute has reported that these<br>units have entered the homes of 170 innocents and killed 43. The CATO website<br>also lists 23 nonviolent offenders and 25 police officers killed.<br><br><br>Last year the U.S. spent $69 billion interfering in the lives of<br>
North and<br>South Americans, supporting military activities and crop eradication that have<br>alienated millions of people south of the border. <br><br><br>In 2007 one of the first acts of Mexican President Felipe Calderon was to use<br>the army to crack down on Mexico's three major drug cartels. Calderon used<br>the army because local and regional police and many office holders had already<br><br>been bought off by the cartels. The results of Mexico's military solution<br>to drug smuggling have been disastrous. In the past two years an estimated<br>8,790 people have been killed, including 800 soldiers and police officers. <br><br><br>Mexico is the transshipment point for 90 percent of the cocaine coming to the<br>U.S. The main source of this drug is Columbia, which has been the focus of U.S.<br>efforts of eradication and interdiction. Since 2000 the U.S. has poured $6<br><br>billion dollars into Columbia, but cocaine production has still
increased 4<br>percent<br> during that time. <br><br>Large acreages of coca have been destroyed; the big cartels have been broken<br>up; left-wing guerrillas are in retreat; and the streets of Bogata are safer. <br><br>But the coca farmers have simply switched to smaller plots closer to the jungle<br>and right-wing paramilitary units are still involved in cocaine production and<br>smuggling. <br><br>Nixon's war on drugs have turned entire nations against us. Evo Morales, a<br><br>former coca grower, is now Bolivia's president. At recent speech at the UN,<br>Morales held up a coca leaf and spoke about a World Health Organization (WHO)<br>study that concluded that the ingestion of coca was not harmful and that it<br><br>might even have some beneficial effects. When I was in Peru in 2002, my guide<br>distributed coca leaves to our group as a remedy for altitude sickness. <br><br>In 1989 I chaired the Borah Symposium on the topic "Cocaine
and<br><br>Conflict" and our keynote speaker was Ethan<br> Nadelman. Now the head of the<br>Drug Policy Institute, he is a leading spokesman for drug legalization, which<br>means legal regulation, not total free use (except of marijuana) of hard drugs. <br><br><br><br>Proponents of legal regulation contend that removing the illegal trade and<br>criminal gangs will have the same positive effect as the ending of Prohibition<br>in 1933. A $250-350 billion business would become a source for much needed tax<br><br>revenue that can be used to rebuild communities and rehabilitate those relative<br>few who have been addicted to drugs. <br><br>A 2007 Zogby Poll asked the following question of 1028 people: "If hard<br>drugs such as heroin or cocaine were legalized, would you be likely to use<br><br>them." Only 6 answered in the affirmative. <br>There are over 250 shops in the Netherlands where one can buy marijuana<br>legally, but only 16 percent of the adult
population has even tried cannibals,<br>while 33 percent of Americans<br><br> have. One commentator quipped that the Dutch have<br>made smoking pot "uncool." <br><br>Reading the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) website, one would think that<br>liberalizing drug laws in Europe has been a complete failure. In England doctors<br><br>used to prescribe heroin to addicts under controlled conditions and their<br>numbers stabilized at 2,000, but since that program was abolished in 1970 the<br>number has risen to 300,000. Similar programs in Germany, Spain, Switzerland,<br><br>and the Netherlands have proved effective.<br><br>One of the most effective organizations for legal regulation of drugs is Law<br>Enforcement against Prohibition (LEAP). Since its founding in 2002, LEAP's<br>membership, former police officers, DEA agents, and city officials, has grown to<br><br>5,000. These men and women have seen first hand how Nixon's war on drugs<br>has
devastated their communities and made criminals out of ordinary citizens. <br><br>As long as the<br> U.S. has the highest drug use rate in the industrialized world,<br><br>this demand will drive the criminal drug trade and will continue to destabilize<br>all the countries south of the border. We should immediately un-declare the wars<br>on drugs and terror. Police surveillance and investigation should replace<br><br>paramilitary over-kill. We should decriminalize the use of marijuana and we<br>should try the policy of legal regulation of all other drugs and see if it<br>works.<br><br>=======================================================<br><br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br><br> mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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