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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The quote: </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>" <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I imagine
most of these acts are<BR> consequences of the American Empire willing to
commit the<BR> same atrocities."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I suppose the question is, the same as who, The
Girl Scouts? The Red Cross? </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems clear to me
that since the topic was terrorism and that </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>among
the terrorists in question we find the taliban and al-qaeda at the top of the
list, t</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>here was no need for wild speculation
on my part. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Moving on, "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>Anyone willing to kill for their agenda is sick and should be treated.
Perhaps a lobotomy would be the cure, rather than killing them
outright?"</FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess I have to assume that, considering your
moral equivalence position that you include US and coalition troops in this
group along with law enforcement officials and anyone else who might be willing
to use ultimate measures to protect themselves or there loved ones?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There's going to be a dreadful dearth of
stimulating conversation in your little corner of Hell.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Garrett Clevenger" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Sunil
Ramalingam" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:25
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Humane interrogations
work</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Thanks, Sunil. I suppose we all read between the lines in our
interpretations of the limitation of email conversation. Once we get hot-headed,
that interpretation probably is distorted even more so.<BR>> <BR>>
Obviously, moral equivalences are not so much based on particular nationalities,
but on the individuals who act immoral. Some in the US probably are the
moral equivalent of some members of the taliban or al qaeda.<BR>> <BR>>
Anyone willing to kill for their agenda is sick and should be treated. Perhaps a
lobotomy would be the cure, rather than killing them outright?<BR>> <BR>>
gclev<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Sunil Ramalingam
<</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> From: Sunil Ramalingam <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Humane interrogations
work<BR>>> To: </FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>,
</FONT><A href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>, "vision 2020"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:35 PM<BR>>> I don't think Garrett made
the claim you attribute to<BR>>> him, and you're speculating wildly in
claiming he<BR>>> believes what you write below.<BR>>> <BR>>>
Do you really think that dropping bombs on cities has some<BR>>> moral
superiority over 'terrorism?' Are those<BR>>> victims any less
dead?<BR>>> <BR>>> Sunil<BR>>> <BR>>> > From:
</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>> >
To: </FONT><A href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>> >
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:29:11 -0800<BR>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Humane interrogations work<BR>>> > <BR>>> > Take from my
response anything you like. It's<BR>>> definitely not that I have no
<BR>>> > argument with your diatribe, it's just that I see<BR>>>
little point in trying to <BR>>> > have a discussion with anyone who
actually believes<BR>>> that the USA is the <BR>>> > moral
equivalent of al-qaeda or the taliban. If<BR>>> that's the world you live
in <BR>>> > I feel sorry for you but I really don't believe<BR>>>
there is any common ground <BR>>> > from which to move this dialog
forward. As for your<BR>>> infernal living <BR>>> > arrangements,
again my sympathies but I'm afraid I<BR>>> can accept no <BR>>> >
responsibility for where you choose to reside.<BR>>> > <BR>>>
> g<BR>>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> > From:
"Garrett Clevenger"<BR>>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
> To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
"g.<BR>>> crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:49 PM<BR>>> > Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Humane interrogations work<BR>>> > <BR>>> >
<BR>>> > > I'll take it from your snide response, g,<BR>>>
that you have no argument <BR>>> > > against my
diatribe.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > You did prove Donovan's
point, though, that<BR>>> some poeple just can't be <BR>>> > >
reasoned with, and my point, due to this, that<BR>>> perhaps we are
condemned to <BR>>> > > live in Hell.<BR>>> >
><BR>>> > > Congratulation's on helping keep the ball<BR>>>
rolling...<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > gclev<BR>>> >
><BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, g.
crabtree<BR>>> <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > >> From: g.
crabtree<BR>>> <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Humane<BR>>> interrogations work<BR>>> > >> To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>,<BR>>>
</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>> >
>> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:25 PM<BR>>> > >> "I
imagine most of these acts are<BR>>> consequences of the<BR>>> >
>> American Empire willing to commit the same<BR>>>
atrocities."<BR>>> > >><BR>>> > >> I'm thinking
not so much a book as a tool<BR>>> catalog.<BR>>> >
>><BR>>> > >> As the Ham-ster would say "nuff<BR>>>
said."<BR>>> > >><BR>>> > >> g<BR>>> >
>><BR>>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
From:<BR>>> "Garrett<BR>>> > >> Clevenger" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
> >> To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
"g.<BR>>> crabtree"<BR>>> > >> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:53 PM<BR>>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Humane<BR>>> interrogations
work<BR>>> > >><BR>>> > >><BR>>> >
>> > I don't condone the violent acts you<BR>>>
mention,<BR>>> > >> either, whether committed by suicide
bombers,<BR>>> alleged<BR>>> > >> hijackers, or the powers
that be that distort<BR>>> truth for<BR>>> > >> their own
agenda. I imagine most of these<BR>>> acts are<BR>>> > >>
consequences of the American Empire willing<BR>>> to commit
the<BR>>> > >> same atrocities.<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > There may be some imagined slights,
but<BR>>> there are also<BR>>> > >> some very real slights.
History is replete<BR>>> with examples of<BR>>> > >> US
policy directly responsible for killing<BR>>> innocents. If<BR>>>
> >> you're willing to retaliate for feeling<BR>>> slighted,
why<BR>>> > >> wouldn't your supposed enemies,<BR>>> who've
probably<BR>>> > >> witnessed more bloodshed than
hopefully<BR>>> we'll ever see,<BR>>> > >> want vengeance,
too?<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> > You're
probably aware of the US<BR>>> financial and<BR>>> > >>
military support of Saddam Hussein during the<BR>>> 80's. The<BR>>>
> >> US backed Iraq in their war against Iran,<BR>>> where a
million or<BR>>> > >> so people were killed. The US also
knew<BR>>> Saddam was gassing<BR>>> > >> the Kurds, where,
guess what, innocent women,<BR>>> children and<BR>>> > >>
men died of chemical weapons. But apparently,<BR>>> the US<BR>>>
> >> condoned Saddam's actions.<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > The Iranians suffered under the Shaw,
a<BR>>> dictator<BR>>> > >> propped up by the US. The
Saudis, too, suffer<BR>>> under the<BR>>> > >> Sauds, who
the US is willing to support to<BR>>> insure access to<BR>>> >
>> oil, and military bases.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>>
> >> > As for Osama, the CIA trained and paid<BR>>> him and
his<BR>>> > >> muhjadeen during the Afghan war against
the<BR>>> Soviets. So the<BR>>> > >> US is implicated in
the deaths they caused<BR>>> during that war,<BR>>> > >> as
well.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> > Those are
only a few of the reasons some<BR>>> people hate<BR>>> > >>
the US and are trying to bring it down, to<BR>>> hold its
citizens<BR>>> > >> accountable, to make us pay with
similar<BR>>> heartache. It was<BR>>> > >> only a matter of
time before all that pent up<BR>>> anger would<BR>>> > >>
make its way to the US, unfortunately.<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > It seems unfair of you to be upset
over<BR>>> the deaths of<BR>>> > >> Americans, but not of
other people who died<BR>>> as a result of<BR>>> > >> US
policy. Personally, I think all of these<BR>>> deaths are a<BR>>>
> >> travesty.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >>
> Nothing exist inside a vacuum. Every<BR>>> bomb has a
boom.<BR>>> > >> Every person who is tortured brings us
closer<BR>>> to our doom.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> >
>> > All our values will not save us. All our<BR>>> wealth
is<BR>>> > >> valueless when we become like our enemy
and<BR>>> sell our souls<BR>>> > >> to oppress.<BR>>>
> >> ><BR>>> > >> > We live in a freer society
than where<BR>>> the alleged<BR>>> > >> terrorist dwell. We
have access to more info,<BR>>> and the<BR>>> > >> ability
to dissent. These other folk have<BR>>> seen, and are<BR>>> >
>> taught, how US policy is hypocritical and<BR>>> leads to
their<BR>>> > >> becoming second class citizens. If I
lived<BR>>> there and lost a<BR>>> > >> loved one due to
the US, I'd be pretty<BR>>> pissed, too. I<BR>>> > >> can
empathize with their frustration at what<BR>>> seems to be<BR>>>
> >> policy designed to enrich some in the US at<BR>>> the
expense of<BR>>> > >> their well-being. I'm actually
surprised<BR>>> their isn't<BR>>> > >> more retaliation,
but maybe that's due to<BR>>> there being<BR>>> > >> more
saner heads than we know, or maybe due<BR>>> to increased<BR>>> >
>> security.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> >
These people's view of history,<BR>>> whether accurate<BR>>> >
>> or not, becomes part of their psyche. I can<BR>>> imagine how
that<BR>>> > >> shapes their behavior and view of the
US.<BR>>> Since they live in<BR>>> > >> a more repressive
regime, it's a lot<BR>>> harder for them to<BR>>> > >>
break the cycle of hatred they have towards<BR>>> us. Since
they<BR>>> > >> aren't as comfortable, it's probably<BR>>>
a lot harder<BR>>> > >> for them to keep their cool. Those that
are<BR>>> more tolerant<BR>>> > >> are probably ostracized.
The ones who<BR>>> retaliate against us<BR>>> > >> are
revered. Thus, natural selection leads to<BR>>> violence<BR>>> >
>> against the US, and themselves.<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > I imagine there are people over
there<BR>>> like you who<BR>>> > >> rally others to act
violent. They probably<BR>>> say the same<BR>>> > >> thing
you do, and so people are enlisted into<BR>>> what means<BR>>> >
>> they have of retaliation. If China were<BR>>> taking over
our<BR>>> > >> country with military might instead of<BR>>>
financially, perhaps<BR>>> > >> we'd have more freedom fighters
willing<BR>>> to kill and die<BR>>> > >> to protect our
homeland, and we'd have a<BR>>> better<BR>>> > >>
understanding of why some are willing to make<BR>>> the
ultimate<BR>>> > >> sacrifice in what they deem to be defense
of<BR>>> their country.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> >
>> > It's only natural to want to protect<BR>>> what
you<BR>>> > >> love. It's natural to want to
retaliate.<BR>>> > >> > It makes perfect sense to me
that<BR>>> violence begets<BR>>> > >> violence. We send our
soldiers there, who<BR>>> bomb and kill<BR>>> > >> innocent
people, which then leads to pissed<BR>>> off people who<BR>>> >
>> want to bomb us back. But that doesn't it<BR>>> make it
right,<BR>>> > >> or in our best interest. It just makes
it<BR>>> look like<BR>>> > >> we're barbarians.<BR>>>
> >> ><BR>>> > >> > The war of terror the US is
engaged in<BR>>> only seems to<BR>>> > >> promote further
violence, which means the war<BR>>> of terror<BR>>> > >>
needs more money and troops to fight that<BR>>> violence. It's<BR>>>
> >> absurd to think we can keep killing,<BR>>> torturing and
bombing<BR>>> > >> our way out of this mess,
especially<BR>>> considering there is<BR>>> > >> historical
justification for people to be mad<BR>>> at us for us<BR>>> >
>> letting our government commit violence.<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > By letting them use our tax
dollars,<BR>>> like it or not,<BR>>> > >> we are guilty of
killing people, and thus,<BR>>> there really are<BR>>> > >>
no innocent people, unless you are protesting<BR>>> and not
paying<BR>>> > >> taxes. Since we are freer, we're
actually<BR>>> more guilty<BR>>> > >> than those in more
repressive regimes who<BR>>> have no means of<BR>>> > >>
deposing of their government. We do not have<BR>>> to be pawns
in<BR>>> > >> the US empire. We do not have to let
them<BR>>> engage our<BR>>> > >> military in foreign
excursions that quite<BR>>> obviously are<BR>>> > >> mostly
intended to secure oil reserves.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> >
>> > We've spent hundreds of billions of<BR>>> dollars,
lost<BR>>> > >> more Americans than who died during the
911<BR>>> strikes, and<BR>>> > >> killed many, many tens of
thousands of<BR>>> innocent people in<BR>>> > >> our desire
for vengeance. For what? More<BR>>> hatred towards us,<BR>>> >
>> more loss of lives, and more indebtedness to<BR>>> fund
this<BR>>> > >> folly.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>>
> >> > I'm able to condemn all these acts<BR>>> of violence
as<BR>>> > >> the same evil they are: willing to kill
for<BR>>> > >> self-righteousness.<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > Admittedly, at this point, there is
no<BR>>> easy solution.<BR>>> > >> Considering we have a
hard time treating our<BR>>> own with<BR>>> > >> respect
amongst our different viewpoints,<BR>>> perhaps we're<BR>>> >
>> condemned to live in this hell. We all are<BR>>>
animals<BR>>> > >> essentially controlled by our emotions.
Our<BR>>> higher being is<BR>>> > >> smothered by those who
want to lash out. We<BR>>> all have these<BR>>> > >>
feelings, but we all can be redeemed if<BR>>> we're courageous<BR>>>
> >> enough to stand up to the powers that be and<BR>>>
say,<BR>>> > >> "Enough!"<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > For starters though, we need to reign
in<BR>>> the American<BR>>> > >> empire. We need to hold
Israel accountable<BR>>> for it's<BR>>> > >> double
standards against the Palestinians. We<BR>>> need to stop<BR>>> >
>> supporting repressive regimes. We need to<BR>>> have
compassionate<BR>>> > >> policy that treats all Earthlings
with<BR>>> respect. We need to<BR>>> > >> take the higher
ground and say,<BR>>> "Sorry."<BR>>> > >> Reconciliation
may sound cheesy, but it goes<BR>>> a long way in<BR>>> >
>> leading to forgiveness for our trespasses.<BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > The other alternative is to keep
digging<BR>>> ourselves in<BR>>> > >> this hole of hatred,
which will lead to<BR>>> further acts that<BR>>> > >> we'll
feel we'll need to retaliate<BR>>> against, ad<BR>>> > >>
nauseam.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> > Corrosive
cynicism warmongers display<BR>>> certainly<BR>>> > >>
isn't the answer.<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >>
><BR>>> > >> > Sorry for the book. This
definitely<BR>>> became longer than<BR>>> > >>
intended...<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> >
Peace,<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> >
gclev<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> ><BR>>>
> >> ><BR>>> > >> > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, g.
crabtree<BR>>> > >> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>> > >> ><BR>>> > >> >> From:
g. crabtree<BR>>> <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Humane<BR>>> interrogations<BR>>> > >> work<BR>>>
> >> >> To: </FONT><A href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>,<BR>>> </FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> > >> >> Date: Saturday, February 21,
2009,<BR>>> 3:21 PM<BR>>> > >> >> "Let's assume for a
moment<BR>>> that<BR>>> > >> terrorists are not<BR>>>
> >> >> cockroaches, but humans who like you<BR>>> and I
have<BR>>> > >> the same<BR>>> > >> >>
emotions of bitterness, anger and<BR>>> desire to<BR>>> >
>> retaliate."<BR>>> > >> >><BR>>> >
>> >> Retaliate for what? Sorry, but I<BR>>> can't
even<BR>>> > >> begin to<BR>>> > >> >>
imagine flying jumbo jets into<BR>>> buildings full of<BR>>> >
>> innocents<BR>>> > >> >> or strapping on a bomb and
going out<BR>>> and<BR>>> > >> deliberately<BR>>>
> >> >> killing women and children most of<BR>>> whom are
my own<BR>>> > >> >> countrymen.<BR>>> > >>
>><BR>>> > >> >> "Why do you think these
people<BR>>> would commit<BR>>> > >> such<BR>>> >
>> >> dastardly deeds, willing to kill<BR>>> other
people?<BR>>> > >> What<BR>>> > >> >>
specifics would drive these people<BR>>> to act<BR>>> > >>
so?"<BR>>> > >> >><BR>>> > >> >>
According to Osama Bin-Laden, the<BR>>> justification to<BR>>> >
>> murder<BR>>> > >> >> nearly 3000 innocent men,
women, and<BR>>> children was<BR>>> > >> that
after<BR>>> > >> >> the first gulf war we were not
quick<BR>>> enough in<BR>>> > >> removing all<BR>>>
> >> >> of our troops from Saudi Arabia to<BR>>> suit
his<BR>>> > >> tastes. Never<BR>>> > >> >>
mind that the Saudi government had<BR>>> made no request<BR>>> >
>> for us to<BR>>> > >> >> speed up the rate at which
our<BR>>> forces were to pull<BR>>> > >> out.
To<BR>>> > >> >> the contrary, they were rather<BR>>>
pleased to have us<BR>>> > >> in country<BR>>> >
>> >> in the short term.<BR>>> > >>
>><BR>>> > >> >> Also, he was miffed with our
support<BR>>> for Israel,<BR>>> > >> totally<BR>>>
> >> >> ignoring the fact that along with<BR>>> the aid we
send<BR>>> > >> to that<BR>>> > >> >>
country, we also spend billions in<BR>>> aid to Syria,<BR>>> >
>> Jordan,<BR>>> > >> >> Egypt, Lebanon, Afghanistan,
and<BR>>> Saudi Arabia.<BR>>> > >> >><BR>>>
> >> >> As you can see, I am rather at a<BR>>> loss. Please
feel<BR>>> > >> free to<BR>>> > >> >> jump
in and enlighten me as to why<BR>>> we were so<BR>>> > >>
richly<BR>>> > >> >> deserving of radical muslim
hatred<BR>>> and how the<BR>>> > >> losses we<BR>>>
> >> >> sustained on 9/11 could be justified<BR>>> as
simple pay<BR>>> > >> back for<BR>>> > >> >>
our misdeeds. What is it that you<BR>>> imagine we might<BR>>> >
>> do that<BR>>> > >> >> would sooth these peoples
imagined<BR>>> slights?<BR>>> > >> >><BR>>>
> >> >> g<BR>>> > >> >><BR>>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:<BR>>>
"Garrett<BR>>> > >> Clevenger"<BR>>> > >> >>
<</FONT><A href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>garrettmc@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
> >> >> To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009<BR>>> 11:11
AM<BR>>> > >> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Humane<BR>>>
interrogations work<BR>>> > >> >><BR>>> > >>
>><BR>>> > >> >> > g,<BR>>> > >>
>> ><BR>>> > >> >> > Let's assume for a
moment<BR>>> that terrorists<BR>>> > >> are not<BR>>>
> >> >> cockroaches, but humans who like you<BR>>> and I
have<BR>>> > >> the same<BR>>> > >> >>
emotions of bitterness, anger and<BR>>> desire to<BR>>> >
>> retaliate.<BR>>> > >> >> ><BR>>> >
>> >> > Why do you think these people<BR>>> would
commit<BR>>> > >> such<BR>>> > >> >>
dastardly deeds, willing to kill<BR>>> other people?<BR>>> >
>> What<BR>>> > >> >> specifics would drive these
people<BR>>> to act so?<BR>>> > >> >>
><BR>>> > >> >> > I'm asking to see if we<BR>>>
could reason as<BR>>> > >> to why we<BR>>> > >>
>> live in a world seemingly filled<BR>>> with violence
due<BR>>> > >> to humans<BR>>> > >> >>
striking fellow humans, so as to<BR>>> possibly<BR>>> > >>
extricate<BR>>> > >> >> ourselves from this deadly
spiral...<BR>>> > >> >> ><BR>>> > >>
>> > gclev<BR>>> > >> >> ><BR>>> >
>> >> ><BR>>> > >> >><BR>>> >
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