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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Up
front, I’ll say I’m joking . . . kind of.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
understand the concerns on at least two sides of the issue, and like Darrell, I’m
glad I’m not the one making the decisions. My sense of justice
demands accountability and consequences for those who in so many ways crapped
all over our Constitution, but I understand the points Wax and others are
making.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However,
there may be a better solution </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> I think there are other countries who would be willing to
prosecute some of the war crimes committed by the Bush administration,
particularly if they knew they’d have our blessings. Perhaps we should
work behind the scenes to make sure that’s the case, then send the worst
offenders on “all expenses paid” vacations to those countries, and
let war crimes tribunals deal with them </span><span style='font-family:
Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Personally,
I think the odds are better of having anything meaningful happen to the
perpetrators elsewhere than here where the good ol’ boys network is still
so very alive and well!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Sunil Ramalingam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:24 AM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Is Holder a coward?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Darrell,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the response. A few weeks ago, Steven Wax spoke at the law
school about his experiences representing Brandon Mayfield, the Oregon lawyer
wrongly accused of involvement in the Madrid train bombings, as well as
individuals held in Guantanimo.<br>
<br>
Here's a link to his book:<br>
<br>
</span><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>http://www.otherpress.com/bookpage.php?bkID=540<br>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>He
doesn't think that the Obama Administration should seek criminal prosecutions
of members of the Bush Administration, saying that it would take too much political
capital and tie down the new administration; his argument is similar to yours.<br>
<br>
He thinks we should have some sort of commission that investigates and lays out
what has happened, so that it doesn't get buried or brushed aside. <br>
<br>
I can see the points both you and Wax are making. Wax was a prosecutor
(involved in the Son of Sam prosecution in NY back in the late 70s) before
becoming a federal public defender, and has been doing this a long time. I'm
not sure I'm ready to agree with him, but I was impressed that someone who has
been in the trenches takes this position.<br>
<br>
And at the same time, I think Bush/Cheney did what they did because they
figured they could get away with it. I can't say I know the answer, but I think
to take no action would be wrong.<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:12:08 -0800<br>
> From: keim153@gmail.com<br>
> To: thansen@moscow.com<br>
> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is Holder a coward?<br>
> <br>
> Sunil and Tom:<br>
> <br>
> Every one of your points is excellent. Going back to my Ford/Nixon<br>
> example, many of the same points would apply. Ford made a tough<br>
> decision, and committed political suicide in doing so. Right now our<br>
> nation needs to pick itself up, dust itself off, and find the right<br>
> direction to go. I know where I'd like that direction to be, planning<br>
> and preparing for the future, and believe we need to focus all our<br>
> energies on it. Trying to go after the past administration would be<br>
> very difficult, full of potential landmines. And it would consume a<br>
> lot of the energy that could better be used in forward motion.<br>
> <br>
> In the end, though, I can see both sides. I am very glad I don't need<br>
> to make the decision.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>
wrote:<br>
> > Darrell -<br>
> ><br>
> > The two ("looking forward" and "correcting the
past") are not mutually<br>
> > exclusive.<br>
> ><br>
> > Do you realize that the city of Marlboro City, New Hampshire has
issued an<br>
> > indictment against both (and each) George Bush and Dick Cheney?<br>
> ><br>
> > Do you realize that some governments in Europe cconsider Rumsfeld to
be a<br>
> > war criminal?<br>
> ><br>
> > If the United States does not investigate various questionable (to
put it<br>
> > kindly) of the previous administration, how would you expect the
world<br>
> > community to respond the next time the United States pursues crimes<br>
> > against humanity committed by another Milosevic or Saddam Hussein?<br>
> ><br>
> > Tom Hansen<br>
> > Moscow, Idaho<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> I don't know. I lookat it like Ford pardoning Nixon. A tough call
to<br>
> >> make, but it gives the nation a chance to move on. Do you think
we<br>
> >> should be looking backwards or forwards right now?<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Tom Hansen
<thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br>
> >> > If the current administration does not fully investigate the
various<br>
> >> > questionable (to put it kindly) activities of the Bush
administration,<br>
> > and<br>
> >> > criminal charges are not forthcoming, I will lose one HELL
of alot of<br>
> >> > respect for the Obama administration, beginning with Barack
himself.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Note to Roger Falen: Alas, Roger! Something of which I would<br>
> > SERIOUSLY<br>
> >> > criticise Obama. How's that?<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Tom Hansen<br>
> >> > Moscow, Idaho<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Holder said yesterday that we are a nation of
"cowards" when it comes<br>
> > to<br>
> >> > di> scussions on race. . . . .<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> How about it Mr. Holder. . . . are you going to be a
"coward" when it<br>
> >> > comes> to an investigation of Rove & Company?<br>
<br>
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