<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Sorry. I got caught up in the lectures and failed to fully read this post until now.</div><div><br></div><div>You're on, Crabtree. Noon on Tuesday, Feb. 3, Friendship Square. I'll bring the flyer!<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:04 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I believe that Mr. Arnold & Ms. Mix are correct
and this will be my final world on this topic.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Campbell, you are an blithering idiot, a liar, a
coward, and a dolt with poor reading skills. I have already said that I
accept your simple minded challenge. (at least I think I did, it was
tough to see my keyboard through the wracking sobs and copious teats) I also
said that it's one more threat in a long line of threats you won't carry out
but, to make it as easy as possible for you to work up the nerve to execute your
little imaginary assault, you pick the day, any day, any time of day. Make
it a surprise attack, phone ahead, or take out an ad in the paper, I really
don't care. When you're finished and you go home to a
rousing chorus of, what I can only imagine will be "I told you that was
a bad idea!" perhaps you'll find someone else to "help."</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="sslund_2007@verizon.net" href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:10
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: this disagreement seems like
racism</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You're wrong, Gary. I said YOU pick the time and place, within reason. It
is a challenge that you won't accept. Why?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm trying to figure out how someone as apparently sensitive as you are
(I mean you are practically sobbing in this last post) could not think the
stuff in question is racist, offensive. I'm just trying to help you and I'm
trying to understand you, that's all.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If everything you say is right, you have nothing to loose by accepting my
challenge.<br><br>Joe Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:23 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<div><span></span></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I'll write
Rush's comments and No Weatherman's subject lines on a piece of paper and
we'll put you on a street corner in Newark and you explain to people who
pass by that the comments aren't racist. If you convince them, I'll rest my
case."</font>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">So, because your point of view would be more
popular in The Murder Capital of New Jersey, I must be wrong? Coming from
someone who lauds himself as a master of logic, that's a rather awkward
argument don't you think? (anybody out there want to tell the rest of
the class which logical fallacy Perfessor Campbell has been repeatedly
making in the last few posts using this line of reasoning?
Bueller?)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">"<font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I'll be
happy to take the same sheet of paper and ask the folks coming and going
into your shop on any given day what they think. What better audience could
you have?"</font></font></div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Despite your
blatantly transparent intent to bully by attempting to
falsely identify me with racist attitudes, this is the course of action
I choose for two reasons. First, I believe that my clients are much
smarter then you (heck, I think lawn furniture is smarter than you) and will
see your actions for what they are, another spineless and ultimately
ineffective attempt to inflict a little character assignation on
someone you have repeatedly and publicly expressed your hatred for. Second,
you have made repeated threats to come to my shop and do this thing or
that thing but in the end you've never had the fortitude to follow
through. It seems very unlikely to me that you're going to man
up at this late date.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">As a dry run for this imaginary
undertaking that you propose, why don't you post your "sheet of paper"
containing these comments and subject lines, verbatim, In quotation
marks, with citations along with my exact remarks in support. (you
have, after all been known to make it up as you go along) I'm quite
sure that without your adding your own special spin to the
remarks that the whole thing is going to come across as weak
and not a little pathetic.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g </font></div></font>----- Original Message
----- </div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="sslund_2007@verizon.net" href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>>
</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:13
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Crabtree once again
defends racism (was blah, blah, blah)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Rush resigned like Nixon resigned. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Let's it simple. I'll write Rush's comments and No Weatherman's
subject lines on a piece of paper and we'll put you on a street corner in
Newark and you explain to people who pass by that the comments aren't
racist. If you convince them, I'll rest my case.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)">If
you prefer, I'll be happy to take the same sheet of paper and ask the
folks coming and going into your shop on any given day what they think.
What better audience could you have? </span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)"><br></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)">Or
you pick the street corner, shop, or audience (not members of your
favorite church, though). However you want to do it. Put your theory to
the test. What have you got to loose if you're right.</span></div>
<div><br>Joe Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:23 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<div><span></span></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">"I, and most sensible people?" looks as
though we're off to a great start.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It would seem that you are not very well
informed with regard to the Donovan McNabb/Rush Limbaugh incident. From
the ESPN web site:</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div>George Bodenheimer, president of ESPN and ABC Sports, issued the
following response: <font face="Arial" size="2">(to Limbaugh's
resignation)</font></div>
<div>
<p>"We accept his resignation and regret the circumstances surrounding
this. We believe that he took the appropriate action to resolve this
matter expeditiously."</p>
<p>The comments referenced by Limbaugh came during Sunday's pregame show
when the conservative talk show host offered the opinion that McNabb
wasn't as good as the media perceived him to be.</p>
<p>"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL.
The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,''
Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a
lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve.
The defense carried this team."</p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">It is an unambiguous fact that the media
was rooting a little extra for McNabb and if you watched any of the
reporting and commentary at the time you couldn't miss it. It is hardly
racist to acknowledge this reality. Jump ahead five years and substitute
BHO for DM. It isn't racist to point out the obvious.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">In the first two games of the 2003
season McNabb's performance was sub par. To offer up the opinion
that he was currently over rated was just that, an opinion on his
performance, not his color. McNabb went on to have a pretty good year so
consequentially Limbaugh's comments may have been premature,
or poorly informed, or flat out wrong but they were opinions
on a quarterback and not racism.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Let's review. Rush did not say that McNabb
<font face="Times New Roman" size="3">"was not subject to criticism
because he was black." <font face="Arial" size="2">Rush was not "FIRED"
(note to jc: all caps and repetition do not constitute truth) from ESPN.
That being cleared up, it really isn't at all hard to characterize your
misinterpretation of the incident as liberal
bias.</font></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">For the record, I do not think that it's
racist to disagree with people of color. I don't think that it's racist
to not get all tingly in my lower extremities when a person of color
gets elected to high office and I most assuredly don't think it's racist
to offer up the same criticism to a person of color that I would to
any other public figure where it's warranted. In fact, I do think that
it's more then a little condescending and, quite frankly, racist not
to.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Now, All that having been said, I don't think
YOU'RE a belligerent, racist, liar but, you sure do sound like one.
Oh, and by the way, you have on several previous occasions called me a
bigot when the subject was race, making the first two sentences along
with the general theme of your post prevarications.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></p></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="sslund_2007@verizon.net" href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>>
</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2009
5:58 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Crabtree once again
defends racism (was blah, blah, blah)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm not trying to pick a fight. Nor did I call you a racist. I
just find it curious that you keep putting your stamp of approval next
to comments that I and most sensible people consider to be racist.
First there was your defense of No Weatherman and then your recent
defense of comments by Rush. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The recent Rush comments, by the way, were similar to comments he
made about Donovan McNabb - that DM was not subject to criticism
because he was black. Those comments, if you remember, got Rush FIRED
from espn. You don't have a problem with the comments but enough
people did that he was FIRED.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It is hard to pass off my disgust for Rush's recent comments as
some kind of liberal bias in light of this history, these facts. And
it is equally hard to make sense of your support for Rush's comments
in light of this history, these facts.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Lastly, I like how you brush off my suggestion that you
characterize all liberals as holding the same stupid view but you do
it again below! I never said anything negative about Soul, or
Williams, or Steele. I never said anything about any of them. I don't
even know who some of them are!</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><br></div>
<div>But somewhere, somewhen, some stupid liberal made some stupid
comment about one of them and the rest of us have to pay - because
we're all the same.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>And somehow this all explains why a comment made by Rush, which
would have gotten him fired were he still on espn, isn't as racist as
common sense suggests.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Look, maybe you're not a racist, Gary. But you sure sound like
one.<br><br>Joe Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:43 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<div><span></span></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">First line, irrelevant babble, no
response required.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Second, same as first.
Yawn.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Third. Like calling someone a nazi when
your argument is floundering, hurl out the "racist" appellation when
you're desperate to make some sort of a point and nothing else is
sticking. If you would like to continue down this woeful road, why
not explain for me and the rest of the readership what, exactly, is
racist about not being impressed (or distressed) by our new leaders
fathers skin color? How does it make BHO's policy's
divinely inspired while the ideas put forth by Thomas Soul, Walter
Williams, and Michael Steele something to be disregarded as
irrelevant and beneath contempt? And finally, what the hell do your
pals pockets have to do with anything? Are they packed full of moon
beams and fairy dust?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="sslund_2007@verizon.net" href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>>
</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 27,
2009 6:54 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020]
Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Sandra, no sense in letting the facts get in the way of the
radical right rhetoric. Those who disagree are all communists,
God-haters.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>On the other hand, we're all a team, accepting all of
the same views. How else could the Bush ideology win, unless
it was black (liberalism, communism, atheism) against white
(truth, justice, and the American way)? </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>And Tom's original post about Rush's racist comments - which
Crabtree supported without a blink, just like he supported the
racist rants of No Weatherman - is smoothly swept under the rug.
What's a little racism when what is at stake is God Himself? Or
the pockets of my friends?<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)"> </span></div>
<div><br>Joe Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:33 PM, "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"></a><a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"></a><a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"></a><a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"><a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">sslund_2007@verizon.net</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div class="Section1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Yet
again, what an enormous crock, but that’s what many of us have
come to expect from you in this forum </span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And,
how wrong you are, as usual. As everyone who knows me
knows, Obama wasn’t “my” candidate, let alone any kind of deity
to me. I did, however, vote for the candidate out of the
choices we wound up with who I thought would do the best job, a
decision a clear majority agreed with. So take your sour
grapes and go make some more whine – continue to be part of the
problem rather than part of a solution . . . that’s what you’re
good at.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It’s
not surprising at all to me – nor should it be to any of us here
-- that you don’t bother to even try to correct what you say I
got wrong in summarizing the positions you’ve taken here.
It would be pretty difficult for you, what with the V2020
archives being open for all </span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through
life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward,
excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the
express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> g.
crabtree [<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:42 AM<br><b>To:</b>
Saundra Lund; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say
What?)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ms.
Lund,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that I will support your
new god when (if) I see him doing good for the country and
oppose him when he's not qualifies as whining but, I guess
it's in the ear of the termagant. I defer to your mastery as
eight continuous years of effort have, without
a doubt, left you well practiced on the
matter.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> I
find it highly amusing and not a small bit refreshing that you
feel comfortable enough in your creative writing style to forge
ahead without feeling even the slightest need to anchor yourself
to anything resembling a fact. The errors in your brief
communication are many, and I'm just sure that you'll forgive me
if (what with life being short and all) I don't bother to
enumerate them. Lets face it, as one of The Chosen Ones most
fervent followers it's clear that you have gotten beyond the
need for accuracy and reason where it comes to your cute
little school girl affaire d'coeur with your freshly
minted deity. My only request would be that if you are going to
do the other members of this little electronic community
the service of pointing out that evil "Crabtree's" position
on any given topic that you provide a cite so that the others
can make a reasonable distinction between my actual stand
on any given matter and what is a fantasy fueled by
your freshly found religious
fervor.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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most heart felt thanks in advance,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <a title="sslund_2007@verizon.net" href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:31 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
[Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say
What?)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">LOL
– let the whining begin!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Gary
Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As
I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president
should come up with that I think makes America a better,
safer, or <b>less restrictive place to live</b>, I'll support
him.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Note
the quotation marks Crabtree uses – he’s clearly wanting to
continue with the divisiveness that doomed the election for
the GOP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Of
course, he contradicts himself here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If
BHO plans on making good on his campaign promises with regard
to abortion, education, taxes, health care, the second
amendment, the global warming hoax, and the war on
terror, then I suspect a huge portion of the 53 million
American's who didn't vote for him (once) hope he fails
miserably, myself included.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it
suits his notion of a “less restrictive place to live” – he’s
against reproductive rights, even for rape victims.
Let’s keep them thar women broodmares! Remember, he’s a
staunch supporter of misogynistic “conscience laws” that
enable pharmacists to refuse to dispense contraceptives,
emergency or otherwise, which would certainly make America a
much more restrictive place for women to live. The
broken health care system folks like Crabtree want to cling to
has made America a much more restrictive place to live for
many regular hardworking Americans – he’s seemingly proud of
the fact that we are the only industrialized nation where
people lose their homes due to unconscionable health care
costs. The Second Amendment our founding fathers gave us
isn’t good enough for Crabtree and his ilk – they want a
Second Amendment on Steroids. He’s content that the War
on Terror has lead to the terrorization of US citizens through
the erosion of our guaranteed civil liberties and put us on a
path to a police state – that sure seems like a much more
restrictive place to live to me, and that’s without even
getting into the shame of torture and denial of due process to
suspects. He’s pleased with a tax system that unfairly
burdens the least among us while providing nothing but
loopholes ripe for exploitation by the greedy amongst us,
especially those who benefit from the special interest
lobbying they fund. Education – his solution
is I don’t know what, but it would likely look similar – and
have results similar to – the deregulation that’s caused the
financial crisis that came crashing down around Bush’s
ears. God only knows what nonsense fills his head about
global warming – it would appear his understanding of science
is limited to the right-wing whack jobs who flunked
science.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fortunately,
the election was a resounding rejection of those like Crabtree
who want keep doing things that don’t work. And, I’m
sure we have his sore loser whining to look forward to for the
next four years. After all, this was a legitimate win
for Obama, which must make the win that much more difficult to
swallow </span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through
life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward,
excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without
the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a></a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>g. crabtree<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
January 25, 2009 12:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chasuk<br><b>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid jug
you sit on. I can't believe that you can say with a straight
face that what you might find on drudge or the freep is as
over the top as some of the mindless, howling at
the moon, wackiness found at kos or
huffington.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As
I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president
should come up with that I think makes America a better,
safer, or less restrictive place to live, I'll support him. On
everything else I'll fight him to the best of my ability and
hope for his catastrophic failure. Since I am unaware of
a single issue with which I am in agreement major policy wise,
I don't think that there will be much to support. If every
mega leftist measure your hero puts forward is an abject
failure it will hopefully discredit the ultra liberal wing of
the democrat party and hasten the rise of a truly conservative
candidate. All to the greater glory of our republic, in my
opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:
"Chasuk" <</span><a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">chasuk@gmail.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:
"g. crabtree" <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<</span><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>;
"Tom Hansen" <</span><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">thansen@moscow.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:
Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say What?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div>
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>
wrote:<br>> <br>>> Remember how your side wished
President GW the best? Sort of like that but<br>>>
without the shrillness and childish demonstrations.<br>>
<br>> Sorry, I read a lot of blogs and new sites, across
the political<br>> spectrum -- including </span><a href="http://drudgereport.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">http://drudgereport.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">,<br>>
</span><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">http://www.freerepublic.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">,
and </span><a href="http://worldnetdaily.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">http://worldnetdaily.com</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> --
and<br>> "shrill" and "childish" are words that much more
accurately describe<br>> the conservative side of
things. Other accurate words would be<br>>
inarticulate and ungrammatical.<br>> <br>> And how about
wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully
implement<br>> those policies and agendas with which you
disagree? As far as<br>> conservatives go, you are
the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.<br>> You really
don't strike me as subscribing to the<br>>
cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face
philosophy.<br>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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