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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Oh boy! Can I bring popcorn? To heck with Keely et. al.
and their quashing the right to free speech. This is better than off-list, this
is off-line altogether at its best! As the W. would say, "Bring it on!" And how
fitting a place could there be?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Warren Hayman</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 30, 2009 8:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] this
disagreement seems like testosterone fueledstupidity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sorry. I got caught up in the lectures and failed to fully read this post
until now.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>You're on, Crabtree. Noon on Tuesday, Feb. 3, Friendship Square. I'll
bring the flyer!<BR><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:04 AM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe that Mr. Arnold & Ms. Mix are
correct and this will be my final world on this topic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Campbell, you are an blithering idiot, a liar,
a coward, and a dolt with poor reading skills. I have already said that
I accept your simple minded challenge. (at least I think I did, it
was tough to see my keyboard through the wracking sobs and copious teats) I
also said that it's one more threat in a long line of threats you won't
carry out but, to make it as easy as possible for you to work up the nerve
to execute your little imaginary assault, you pick the day, any day, any
time of day. Make it a surprise attack, phone ahead, or take out an ad
in the paper, I really don't care. When you're finished and you go
home to a rousing chorus of, what I can only imagine will be "I told
you that was a bad idea!" perhaps you'll find someone else to
"help."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: this disagreement seems
like racism</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>You're wrong, Gary. I said YOU pick the time and place, within
reason. It is a challenge that you won't accept. Why?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm trying to figure out how someone as apparently sensitive as you
are (I mean you are practically sobbing in this last post) could not think
the stuff in question is racist, offensive. I'm just trying to help you
and I'm trying to understand you, that's all.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If everything you say is right, you have nothing to loose by
accepting my challenge.<BR><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:23 PM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I'll
write Rush's comments and No Weatherman's subject lines on a piece of
paper and we'll put you on a street corner in Newark and you explain to
people who pass by that the comments aren't racist. If you convince
them, I'll rest my case."</FONT>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, because your point of view would be
more popular in The Murder Capital of New Jersey, I must be wrong?
Coming from someone who lauds himself as a master of logic,
that's a rather awkward argument don't you think? (anybody out
there want to tell the rest of the class which logical fallacy Perfessor
Campbell has been repeatedly making in the last few posts using this
line of reasoning? Bueller?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I'll
be happy to take the same sheet of paper and ask the folks coming and
going into your shop on any given day what they think. What better
audience could you have?"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Despite your
blatantly transparent intent to bully by attempting to
falsely identify me with racist attitudes, this is the course of
action I choose for two reasons. First, I believe that my clients
are much smarter then you (heck, I think lawn furniture is smarter than
you) and will see your actions for what they are, another spineless and
ultimately ineffective attempt to inflict a little character
assignation on someone you have repeatedly and publicly expressed
your hatred for. Second, you have made repeated threats to come to
my shop and do this thing or that thing but in the end you've never had
the fortitude to follow through. It seems very unlikely to me that
you're going to man up at this late date.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As a dry run for this imaginary
undertaking that you propose, why don't you post your "sheet of paper"
containing these comments and subject lines, verbatim, In quotation
marks, with citations along with my exact remarks in support.
(you have, after all been known to make it up as you go along)
I'm quite sure that without your adding your own special
spin to the remarks that the whole thing is going to come
across as weak and not a little pathetic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g </FONT></DIV></FONT>----- Original
Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2009
7:13 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Crabtree once again
defends racism (was blah, blah, blah)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Rush resigned like Nixon resigned. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Let's it simple. I'll write Rush's comments and No
Weatherman's subject lines on a piece of paper and we'll put you on a
street corner in Newark and you explain to people who pass by that the
comments aren't racist. If you convince them, I'll rest my case.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)">If
you prefer, I'll be happy to take the same sheet of paper and ask the
folks coming and going into your shop on any given day what they
think. What better audience could you have? </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)">Or
you pick the street corner, shop, or audience (not members of
your favorite church, though). However you want to do it. Put your
theory to the test. What have you got to loose if you're
right.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:23 AM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"I, and most sensible people?" looks as
though we're off to a great start.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would seem that you are not very
well informed with regard to the Donovan McNabb/Rush Limbaugh
incident. From the ESPN web site:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>George Bodenheimer, president of ESPN and ABC Sports, issued
the following response: <FONT face=Arial size=2>(to Limbaugh's
resignation)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>"We accept his resignation and regret the circumstances
surrounding this. We believe that he took the appropriate action to
resolve this matter expeditiously."</P>
<P>The comments referenced by Limbaugh came during Sunday's pregame
show when the conservative talk show host offered the opinion that
McNabb wasn't as good as the media perceived him to be.</P>
<P>"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the
NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do
well,'' Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb,
and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he
didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."</P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is an unambiguous fact that the
media was rooting a little extra for McNabb and if you watched any
of the reporting and commentary at the time you couldn't miss it. It
is hardly racist to acknowledge this reality. Jump ahead five years
and substitute BHO for DM. It isn't racist to point out the
obvious.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the first two games of the 2003
season McNabb's performance was sub par. To offer up the
opinion that he was currently over rated was just that, an opinion
on his performance, not his color. McNabb went on to have a pretty
good year so consequentially Limbaugh's comments may have been
premature, or poorly informed, or flat out wrong but they
were opinions on a quarterback and not racism.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let's review. Rush did not say that
McNabb <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"was not subject to
criticism because he was black." <FONT face=Arial size=2>Rush was
not "FIRED" (note to jc: all caps and repetition do not constitute
truth) from ESPN. That being cleared up, it really isn't at all hard
to characterize your misinterpretation of the incident as liberal
bias.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>For the record, I do not think that it's
racist to disagree with people of color. I don't think that it's
racist to not get all tingly in my lower extremities when a person
of color gets elected to high office and I most assuredly don't
think it's racist to offer up the same criticism to a person of
color that I would to any other public figure where it's
warranted. In fact, I do think that it's more then a little
condescending and, quite frankly, racist not to.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now, All that having been said, I don't
think YOU'RE a belligerent, racist, liar but, you sure do sound
like one. Oh, and by the way, you have on several previous occasions
called me a bigot when the subject was race, making the first two
sentences along with the general theme of your post
prevarications.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28,
2009 5:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Crabtree once
again defends racism (was blah, blah, blah)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm not trying to pick a fight. Nor did I call you a racist.
I just find it curious that you keep putting your stamp of
approval next to comments that I and most sensible people consider
to be racist. First there was your defense of No Weatherman and
then your recent defense of comments by Rush. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The recent Rush comments, by the way, were similar to
comments he made about Donovan McNabb - that DM was not subject to
criticism because he was black. Those comments, if you remember,
got Rush FIRED from espn. You don't have a problem with the
comments but enough people did that he was FIRED.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>It is hard to pass off my disgust for Rush's recent comments
as some kind of liberal bias in light of this history, these
facts. And it is equally hard to make sense of your support for
Rush's comments in light of this history, these facts.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Lastly, I like how you brush off my suggestion that you
characterize all liberals as holding the same stupid view but you
do it again below! I never said anything negative about Soul, or
Williams, or Steele. I never said anything about any of them. I
don't even know who some of them are!</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>But somewhere, somewhen, some stupid liberal made some stupid
comment about one of them and the rest of us have to pay - because
we're all the same.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And somehow this all explains why a comment made by Rush,
which would have gotten him fired were he still on espn, isn't as
racist as common sense suggests.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Look, maybe you're not a racist, Gary. But you sure sound
like one.<BR><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:43 AM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>First line, irrelevant babble, no
response required.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Second, same as first.
Yawn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Third. Like calling someone a nazi
when your argument is floundering, hurl out the "racist"
appellation when you're desperate to make some sort of a point
and nothing else is sticking. If you would like to continue down
this woeful road, why not explain for me and the rest of the
readership what, exactly, is racist about not being impressed
(or distressed) by our new leaders fathers skin color? How
does it make BHO's policy's divinely inspired while the
ideas put forth by Thomas Soul, Walter Williams, and Michael
Steele something to be disregarded as irrelevant and beneath
contempt? And finally, what the hell do your pals pockets have
to do with anything? Are they packed full of moon beams and
fairy dust?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January
27, 2009 6:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sandra, no sense in letting the facts get in the way of
the radical right rhetoric. Those who disagree are all
communists, God-haters.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>On the other hand, we're all a team, accepting all of
the same views. How else could the Bush ideology win,
unless it was black (liberalism, communism, atheism) against
white (truth, justice, and the American way)? </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And Tom's original post about Rush's racist comments -
which Crabtree supported without a blink, just like he
supported the racist rants of No Weatherman - is smoothly
swept under the rug. What's a little racism when what is at
stake is God Himself? Or the pockets of my friends?<SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)"> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Joe Campbell</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:33 PM, "Saundra Lund" <<A
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"></A><A
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"></A><A
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"></A><A
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"><A
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">sslund_2007@verizon.net</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Yet
again, what an enormous crock, but that’s what many of us
have come to expect from you in this forum
</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And,
how wrong you are, as usual. As everyone who knows me
knows, Obama wasn’t “my” candidate, let alone any kind of
deity to me. I did, however, vote for the candidate
out of the choices we wound up with who I thought would do
the best job, a decision a clear majority agreed with.
So take your sour grapes and go make some more whine –
continue to be part of the problem rather than part of a
solution . . . that’s what you’re good
at.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It’s
not surprising at all to me – nor should it be to any of us
here -- that you don’t bother to even try to correct what
you say I got wrong in summarizing the positions you’ve
taken here. It would be pretty difficult for you, what
with the V2020 archives being open for all
</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through
life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy,
forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
without the express written permission of the
author.*****<O:P></O:P></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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g. crabtree [<A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></A><A
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<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:42
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Saundra Lund; <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say
What?)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ms.
Lund,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that I will support
your new god when (if) I see him doing good for the country
and oppose him when he's not qualifies as whining
but, I guess it's in the ear of the termagant. I defer
to your mastery as eight continuous years of effort
have, without a doubt, left you well practiced on
the matter.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> I
find it highly amusing and not a small bit refreshing that
you feel comfortable enough in your creative writing style
to forge ahead without feeling even the slightest need to
anchor yourself to anything resembling a fact. The errors in
your brief communication are many, and I'm just sure that
you'll forgive me if (what with life being short and all) I
don't bother to enumerate them. Lets face it, as one of The
Chosen Ones most fervent followers it's clear that you have
gotten beyond the need for accuracy and reason where it
comes to your cute little school girl affaire
d'coeur with your freshly minted deity. My only request
would be that if you are going to do the other members of
this little electronic community the service of
pointing out that evil "Crabtree's" position on any given
topic that you provide a cite so that the others can make a
reasonable distinction between my actual stand on any
given matter and what is a fantasy fueled by
your freshly found religious
fervor.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">My
most heart felt thanks in
advance,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
<A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net
href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:31
PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
[Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say
What?)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">LOL
– let the whining begin!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Gary
Crabtree wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As
I said previously, if there is an issue that "our"
president should come up with that I think makes America a
better, safer, or <B>less restrictive place to live</B>,
I'll support him.”<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Note
the quotation marks Crabtree uses – he’s clearly wanting
to continue with the divisiveness that doomed the election
for the GOP.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Of
course, he contradicts himself here:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If
BHO plans on making good on his campaign promises with
regard to abortion, education, taxes, health care, the
second amendment, the global warming hoax, and the war on
terror, then I suspect a huge portion of the 53
million American's who didn't vote for him (once) hope he
fails miserably, myself included.”</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it
suits his notion of a “less restrictive place to live” –
he’s against reproductive rights, even for rape
victims. Let’s keep them thar women
broodmares! Remember, he’s a staunch supporter of
misogynistic “conscience laws” that enable pharmacists to
refuse to dispense contraceptives, emergency or otherwise,
which would certainly make America a much more restrictive
place for women to live. The broken health care
system folks like Crabtree want to cling to has made
America a much more restrictive place to live for many
regular hardworking Americans – he’s seemingly proud of
the fact that we are the only industrialized nation where
people lose their homes due to unconscionable health care
costs. The Second Amendment our founding fathers
gave us isn’t good enough for Crabtree and his ilk – they
want a Second Amendment on Steroids. He’s content
that the War on Terror has lead to the terrorization of US
citizens through the erosion of our guaranteed civil
liberties and put us on a path to a police state – that
sure seems like a much more restrictive place to live to
me, and that’s without even getting into the shame of
torture and denial of due process to suspects. He’s
pleased with a tax system that unfairly burdens the least
among us while providing nothing but loopholes ripe for
exploitation by the greedy amongst us, especially those
who benefit from the special interest lobbying they
fund. Education – his solution is I
don’t know what, but it would likely look similar – and
have results similar to – the deregulation that’s caused
the financial crisis that came crashing down around Bush’s
ears. God only knows what nonsense fills his head
about global warming – it would appear his understanding
of science is limited to the right-wing whack jobs who
flunked science.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fortunately,
the election was a resounding rejection of those like
Crabtree who want keep doing things that don’t work.
And, I’m sure we have his sore loser whining to look
forward to for the next four years. After all, this
was a legitimate win for Obama, which must make the win
that much more difficult to swallow </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not
copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision
2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<O:P></O:P></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
<A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A></A>
[<A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><A
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>g. crabtree<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
January 25, 2009 12:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Chasuk<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Vision2020] Say
What?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid
jug you sit on. I can't believe that you can say with a
straight face that what you might find on drudge or the
freep is as over the top as some of the mindless, howling
at the moon, wackiness found at kos or
huffington.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As
I said previously, if there is an issue that "our"
president should come up with that I think makes America a
better, safer, or less restrictive place to live, I'll
support him. On everything else I'll fight him to the best
of my ability and hope for his catastrophic failure.
Since I am unaware of a single issue with which I am in
agreement major policy wise, I don't think that there will
be much to support. If every mega leftist measure
your hero puts forward is an abject failure it will
hopefully discredit the ultra liberal wing of the democrat
party and hasten the rise of a truly conservative
candidate. All to the greater glory of our republic, in my
opinion.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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Original Message ----- </SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:
"Chasuk" <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">chasuk@gmail.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:
"g. crabtree" <</SPAN><A
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cc:
<</SPAN><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>;
"Tom Hansen" <</SPAN><A
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:
Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43
AM</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say
What?</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV>
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree <</SPAN><A
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
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wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Remember how your side wished
President GW the best? Sort of like that but<BR>>>
without the shrillness and childish
demonstrations.<BR>> <BR>> Sorry, I read a lot of
blogs and new sites, across the political<BR>> spectrum
-- including </SPAN><A
href="http://drudgereport.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">http://drudgereport.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">,<BR>>
</SPAN><A href="http://www.freerepublic.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">http://www.freerepublic.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">,
and </SPAN><A href="http://worldnetdaily.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">http://worldnetdaily.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
-- and<BR>> "shrill" and "childish" are words that much
more accurately describe<BR>> the conservative side of
things. Other accurate words would be<BR>>
inarticulate and ungrammatical.<BR>> <BR>> And how
about wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully
implement<BR>> those policies and agendas with which
you disagree? As far as<BR>> conservatives go,
you are the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.<BR>>
You really don't strike me as subscribing to the<BR>>
cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face
philosophy.<BR>></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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