<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Sandra, no sense in letting the facts get in the way of the radical right rhetoric. Those who disagree are all communists, God-haters.</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, we're all a team, accepting all of the same views. How else could the Bush ideology win, unless it was black (liberalism, communism, atheism) against white (truth, justice, and the American way)? </div><div><br></div><div>And Tom's original post about Rush's racist comments - which Crabtree supported without a blink, just like he supported the racist rants of No Weatherman - is smoothly swept under the rug. What's a little racism when what is at stake is God Himself? Or the pockets of my friends?<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373); "> </span></div><div><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:33 PM, "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">sslund_2007@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yet
again, what an enormous crock, but that’s what many of us have come to
expect from you in this forum </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And,
how wrong you are, as usual. As everyone who knows me knows, Obama wasn’t
“my” candidate, let alone any kind of deity to me. I did,
however, vote for the candidate out of the choices we wound up with who I
thought would do the best job, a decision a clear majority agreed with.
So take your sour grapes and go make some more whine – continue to be
part of the problem rather than part of a solution . . . that’s what you’re
good at.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It’s
not surprising at all to me – nor should it be to any of us here -- that
you don’t bother to even try to correct what you say I got wrong in
summarizing the positions you’ve taken here. It would be pretty
difficult for you, what with the V2020 archives being open for all </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> g. crabtree
[<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ms.
Lund,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that I will support your new god when
(if) I see him doing good for the country and oppose him when he's not
qualifies as whining but, I guess it's in the ear of the termagant. I
defer to your mastery as eight continuous years of effort
have, without a doubt, left you well practiced on the matter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> I
find it highly amusing and not a small bit refreshing that you feel comfortable
enough in your creative writing style to forge ahead without feeling even the
slightest need to anchor yourself to anything resembling a fact. The errors in
your brief communication are many, and I'm just sure that you'll forgive me if
(what with life being short and all) I don't bother to enumerate them. Lets
face it, as one of The Chosen Ones most fervent followers it's clear that you
have gotten beyond the need for accuracy and reason where it comes to
your cute little school girl affaire d'coeur with your freshly
minted deity. My only request would be that if you are going to do the other
members of this little electronic community the service of pointing out
that evil "Crabtree's" position on any given topic that you provide a
cite so that the others can make a reasonable distinction between my actual
stand on any given matter and what is a fantasy fueled by
your freshly found religious fervor.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">My
most heart felt thanks in advance,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net" title="sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Sunday, January 25,
2009 9:31 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> [Vision2020]
Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">LOL
– let the whining begin!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gary
Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As I said previously,
if there is an issue that "our" president should come up with that I
think makes America a better, safer, or <b>less restrictive place to live</b>,
I'll support him.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Note
the quotation marks Crabtree uses – he’s clearly wanting to
continue with the divisiveness that doomed the election for the GOP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of
course, he contradicts himself here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If BHO plans on
making good on his campaign promises with regard to abortion, education, taxes,
health care, the second amendment, the global warming hoax, and the war on
terror, then I suspect a huge portion of the 53 million American's who
didn't vote for him (once) hope he fails miserably, myself included.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So,
Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it suits his notion of
a “less restrictive place to live” – he’s against
reproductive rights, even for rape victims. Let’s keep them thar
women broodmares! Remember, he’s a staunch supporter of
misogynistic “conscience laws” that enable pharmacists to refuse to
dispense contraceptives, emergency or otherwise, which would certainly make
America a much more restrictive place for women to live. The broken
health care system folks like Crabtree want to cling to has made America a much
more restrictive place to live for many regular hardworking Americans –
he’s seemingly proud of the fact that we are the only industrialized
nation where people lose their homes due to unconscionable health care
costs. The Second Amendment our founding fathers gave us isn’t good
enough for Crabtree and his ilk – they want a Second Amendment on
Steroids. He’s content that the War on Terror has lead to the
terrorization of US citizens through the erosion of our guaranteed civil
liberties and put us on a path to a police state – that sure seems like a
much more restrictive place to live to me, and that’s without even
getting into the shame of torture and denial of due process to suspects.
He’s pleased with a tax system that unfairly burdens the least among us
while providing nothing but loopholes ripe for exploitation by the greedy
amongst us, especially those who benefit from the special interest lobbying
they fund. Education – his solution is I don’t
know what, but it would likely look similar – and have results similar to
– the deregulation that’s caused the financial crisis that came
crashing down around Bush’s ears. God only knows what nonsense
fills his head about global warming – it would appear his understanding
of science is limited to the right-wing whack jobs who flunked science.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Fortunately,
the election was a resounding rejection of those like Crabtree who want keep
doing things that don’t work. And, I’m sure we have his sore
loser whining to look forward to for the next four years. After all, this
was a legitimate win for Obama, which must make the win that much more
difficult to swallow </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>g. crabtree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chasuk<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid jug you sit on. I can't
believe that you can say with a straight face that what you might find on
drudge or the freep is as over the top as some of the mindless, howling at
the moon, wackiness found at kos or huffington.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As
I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president should
come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or less restrictive
place to live, I'll support him. On everything else I'll fight him to the best
of my ability and hope for his catastrophic failure. Since I am unaware of
a single issue with which I am in agreement major policy wise, I don't think
that there will be much to support. If every mega leftist measure your
hero puts forward is an abject failure it will hopefully discredit the ultra
liberal wing of the democrat party and hasten the rise of a truly conservative
candidate. All to the greater glory of our republic, in my opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">-----
Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:
"Chasuk" <</span><a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">chasuk@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:
"g. crabtree" <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cc:
<</span><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>; "Tom
Hansen" <</span><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">thansen@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:
Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say What?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"">jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Remember how your side wished President GW the best? Sort of like that
but<br>
>> without the shrillness and childish demonstrations.<br>
> <br>
> Sorry, I read a lot of blogs and new sites, across the political<br>
> spectrum -- including </span><a href="http://drudgereport.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">http://drudgereport.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">,<br>
> </span><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">http://www.freerepublic.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">, and </span><a href="http://worldnetdaily.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">http://worldnetdaily.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> -- and<br>
> "shrill" and "childish" are words that much more
accurately describe<br>
> the conservative side of things. Other accurate words would be<br>
> inarticulate and ungrammatical.<br>
> <br>
> And how about wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully implement<br>
> those policies and agendas with which you disagree? As far as<br>
> conservatives go, you are the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.<br>
> You really don't strike me as subscribing to the<br>
> cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face philosophy.<br>
></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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