<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Like always, you are now changing the argument from the one that I was commenting on, the one you gave <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373); ">originally. Are you now claiming that this is the basis of the Bigot Guy's lawsuit?</span></div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 19, 2009, at 7:45 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Lets have a look at the potential "wrong
reasons:"</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1. Anti Wal-Mart? Great, no problem</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2. Anti corporate? Swell</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">3. Anti capitalism? Dandy</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">4. Anti religion? Fine</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">5. Anti Catholic, Jew, Mormon, Muslim?
Well....</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">6. Anti Black, Brown, Yellow? Now wait a
minute...</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">7. Anti abortion? Stop right there! Now you've gone
to far!</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">None of these web sites would cost the tax payer
any more then the other. Since we can't attach a dollar value to any of these, I
guess that it's not clear what the worry is about.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a></a>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 19, 2009 7:13
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack
. . .</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Suppose someone used a UI website for the "wrong" reasons. What is the
cost in actual dollars to the tax payer? If you can't put a number on it it is
not clear what the worry is about.<br><br></div>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Jan 18, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div>Keely,</div>
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<div>It might be that some members of Christ Church feel they have
been unjustly attacked with the illegal and improper use of
UI property by some of its employees and want to prevent it
from occurring again. Which I think is understandable. Nobody wants
their taxes to be used against them in biased way. There is lots of
evidence that UI employees have used UI property improperly for
personal use. So it would be wise to start there, in my
opinion.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I don't agree with this avenue to stop this behavior though. In
part because even if true, it isn't costly or inconvenient to move off
UI's network and get the same services for free or easy somewhere
else. And since little financial harm was done to the person filing
the complaint, it won't get anyone any money except the lawyers.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best Regards,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Donovan<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 1/18/09, <span>keely</span>
<span>emerinemix</span> <i><<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a></a>></i></b>
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
<span>keely</span> emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a></a>><br>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .<br>To: <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a></a>,
<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>, <a href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu"></a><a href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu"><a href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">josephc@wsu.edu</a></a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>Date:
Sunday, January 18, 2009, 2:46 PM<br><br>
<div id="yiv7856046">The great WalMart debate, Donovan, is not likely
to be solved here on Vision, and certainly not by me. My point
was that it seems an odd subject for such intense Christ Church
involvement and enthusiasm.<br><br>Keely<br><a href="http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/"><a href="http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/">http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/</a></a><br><br><br><br><br>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:30:00 -0800<br>From:
<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a></a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] He's
Baaaaaaack . . .<br>To: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">josephc@wsu.edu</a>;
<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a></a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br><br>
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<div>Keely,</div>
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<div>I think a lot of people like Wal-Mart because it provides
jobs to people that have a hard time getting jobs elsewhere.
It provides disposable goods at a price more affordable to
people with lower incomes. And they like the idea of free
enterprise.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I understand many of people's objections to Wal-Mart. I
just don't understand why the people that object to Wal-Mart
cannot understand they do good too, and are not lot a whole
different than other super chain stores in the country. They
are just bigger and cheaper, most the time.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best Regards,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Donovan<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 1/18/09, <span>keely</span>
<span>emerinemix</span> <i><<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
keely emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>><br>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .<br>To:
<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>, <a href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu"><a href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">josephc@wsu.edu</a></a><br>Cc:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009,
12:39 PM<br><br>
<div id="EC_yiv605459050">Isn't the main question here
something along the lines of "why in God's name would a
church organization's leadership be so intensely drawn to a
Super WalMart store on the Palouse?" <br><br>Or,
conversely, "Why in God's name would a church organization's
leadership, in their desire to welcome a Super WalMart, be
so aggressively snotty toward those who
disagree?"<br><br>Keely<br><a href="http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/">http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/</a><br><br><br><br><br>>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:44:58 -0800<br>> From:
godshatter@yahoo.com<br>> To: josephc@wsu.edu<br>> CC:
vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] He's
Baaaaaaack . . .<br>> <br>> The current
nosuperwalmart.com site doesn't appear to be hosted by the U
<br>> of I. I was wondering if there was an employee page
that preceded the <br>> domain name or something.<br>>
<br>> If the University is not hosting the site, then the
complaint must be <br>> that an employee of the
University worked on it. If they were told to <br>> work
on it as normal performance of their duties, that's one
thing. If <br>> the employee was working on it using
University computers and/or during <br>> paid work hours,
then at best you have an employee breaking the rules
<br>> of computer usage at the U of I. That does not make
the University or <br>> the State liable for what they
were working on. If they are doing it on <br>> their own
time, they have every right to do so. <br>> <br>> So,
does this suit have merit? Any official hosting of the site,
or <br>> employees being paid specifically to work on it
by the University or the <br>> State?<br>> <br>>
Paul<br>> <br>> Joseph Campbell wrote:<br>> >
Get a clue. Check the source.<br>> ><br>>
><br>> > On 1/17/09 5:59 PM, "Paul Rumelhart"
<godshatter@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>>
> <br>> >> I've never seen the nosuperwalmart
site. What are the facts? Was it an<br>> >>
official UI webpage? Was it the personal page of a UI
employee? In the<br>> >> first case, they have a
case. In the second, the UI is acting more as<br>>
>> an ISP hosting personal content. I don't know the
law there, but I<br>> >> doubt it's as
cut-and-dried.<br>> >><br>> >> What was
the URL to the page?<br>> >><br>> >>
Paul<br>> >><br>> >> g. crabtree
wrote:<br>> >> <br>> >>> I wish Mr.
Glasebrook the very best in this Endeavour. The U of I
was<br>> >>> completely remiss in allowing
taxpayer resources to be squandered promoting<br>>
>>> these causes and public officials are negligent
in their duties when not<br>> >>> taking citizen
complaints seriously.<br>> >>><br>>
>>> g<br>> >>> ----- Original Message
-----<br>> >>> From: "Tom Hansen"
<thansen@moscow.com><br>> >>> To:
<vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >>> Sent:
Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:00 AM<br>> >>>
Subject: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .<br>>
>>><br>> >>><br>> >>>
<br>> >>> <br>> >>>> Remember
Dave Glasebrook?<br>> >>>><br>>
>>>> In case you don't, he's the carrothead on
the left . . .<br>> >>>><br>>
>>>>
http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/102907_Glasebrook.jpg<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Well, he (for lack
of a more appropriate pronoun) is back.<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Courtesy of the
Moscow-Pullman Daily News.<br>> >>>><br>>
>>>>
---------------------------------------------------------<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Man files petition
requesting action from governor on allegations
against<br>> >>>> UI<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> A Moscow resident
has taken legal action against Idaho Gov. C.L.
"Butch"<br>> >>>> Otter, claiming the
governor "failed to faithfully enforce Idaho law."<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Dave Glasebrook
filed a petition for a writ of mandate against Otter
in<br>> >>>> Latah County District Court on
Monday.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>>
The document states Otter "breached public faith" and
Glasebrook's civil<br>> >>>> rights by
failing to investigate Glasebrook's claims that the
University<br>> >>>> of Idaho covered up
illegal computer use over the past several years.<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Glasebrook claims
the UI allowed an employee to run the Web site<br>>
>>>> NoSuperWalMart.com using UI computer and
phone systems. He also claims the<br>> >>>>
UI allowed people "to send e-mail and post messages
containing political,<br>> >>>> defamatory,
threatening or otherwise prohibited activity." The claim
is<br>> >>>> primarily related to Internet
postings regarding the Moscow School<br>>
>>>> District's 2007 levy election.<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Glasebrook's
petition also asserts the UI violated open records law by
not<br>> >>>> releasing certain employee and
student e-mails he requested related to the<br>>
>>>> Web site and postings.<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> The petition
requests Otter order Idaho Attorney General Lawrence
Wasden<br>> >>>> to subpoena information
about NoSuperWalmart.com, order the UI to release<br>>
>>>> e-mail and electronic records to Glasebrook
and assign an Idaho State<br>> >>>> Police
officer to retrieve material from UI computers.<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Glasebrook's final
request is for Otter to appear before the court<br>>
>>>> to "explain in detail why he does not want
to follow the laws he is sworn<br>> >>>> to
uphold and why he does not want to uphold (Glasebrook's)
civil rights<br>> >>>> and
liberties."<br>> >>>><br>>
>>>> Records attached to the petition show
Glasebrook has been pursuing action<br>> >>>>
against the UI since 2007. He has requested assistance from
Otter's<br>> >>>> office, Idaho State Supreme
Court Chief Justice Daniel Eismann, Latah<br>>
>>>> County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson,
Moscow Prosecuting Attorney Rod<br>> >>>>
Hall and former UI President Tim White.<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>>
---------------------------------------------------------<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Now, where did I
put those public records requests?<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Great! Here they
are.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Stay
tuned, Moscow. More to follow . . .<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> Tom Hansen<br>>
>>>> Moscow, Idaho<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> "For a lapsed
Lutheran born-again Buddhist pan-Humanist
Universalist<br>> >>>> Unitarian Wiccan
Agnostic like myself there's really no reason ever to
go<br>> >>>> to work."<br>>
>>>><br>> >>>> - Roy
Zimmerman<br>> >>>><br>>
>>>><br>> >>>>
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