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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Once again I'm confused. I thought I was directly
addressing your argument. Perhaps I misunderstood. It looked to me as though you
were trying to assert that since no one had yet to attach a dollar value to
the matter that "<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>it is not clear what
the worry is about." <FONT face=Arial>I</FONT><FONT
face="Franklin Gothic Medium"> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>was merely
pointing out a potential flaw in that line of
reasoning.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For the record, I have no idea of the specifics of
Mr. Glasebooks complaint. I have not spoken to him or anyone else about the
matter. My point is, was, and will continue to be that IF a university employee
was using taxpayer time and resources to advance a personal agenda then a
private citizen is well within their rights to bring the matter up and have it
addressed. Period. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 19, 2009 8:31
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack
. . .</DIV>
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<DIV>Like always, you are now changing the argument from the one that I was
commenting on, the one you gave <SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373)">originally.
Are you now claiming that this is the basis of the Bigot Guy's
lawsuit?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 19, 2009, at 7:45 AM, "g. crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lets have a look at the potential "wrong
reasons:"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Anti Wal-Mart? Great, no
problem</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Anti corporate? Swell</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. Anti capitalism? Dandy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4. Anti religion? Fine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>5. Anti Catholic, Jew, Mormon, Muslim?
Well....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>6. Anti Black, Brown, Yellow? Now wait a
minute...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>7. Anti abortion? Stop right there! Now you've
gone to far!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>None of these web sites would cost the tax
payer any more then the other. Since we can't attach a dollar value to any
of these, I guess that it's not clear what the worry is about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A></A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 19, 2009 7:13
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] He's
Baaaaaaack . . .</DIV>
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<DIV>Suppose someone used a UI website for the "wrong" reasons. What is
the cost in actual dollars to the tax payer? If you can't put a number on
it it is not clear what the worry is about.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 18, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Donovan Arnold <<A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A></A>>
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<DIV>Keely,</DIV>
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<DIV>It might be that some members of Christ Church feel they have
been unjustly attacked with the illegal and improper use
of UI property by some of its employees and want to
prevent it from occurring again. Which I think is understandable.
Nobody wants their taxes to be used against them in biased way.
There is lots of evidence that UI employees have used UI property
improperly for personal use. So it would be wise to start
there, in my opinion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't agree with this avenue to stop this behavior though.
In part because even if true, it isn't costly or inconvenient to
move off UI's network and get the same services for free or easy
somewhere else. And since little financial harm was done to the
person filing the complaint, it won't get anyone any money except
the lawyers. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 1/18/09, <SPAN>keely</SPAN>
<SPAN>emerinemix</SPAN> <I><<A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A></A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<SPAN>keely</SPAN> emerinemix <<A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A></A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A></A>,
<A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A></A>,
<A href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu"></A><A
href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu"><A
href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">josephc@wsu.edu</A></A><BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A><BR>Date:
Sunday, January 18, 2009, 2:46 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv7856046>The great WalMart debate, Donovan, is not
likely to be solved here on Vision, and certainly not by
me. My point was that it seems an odd subject for such
intense Christ Church involvement and
enthusiasm.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><A
href="http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/"><A
href="http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/">http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/</A></A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:30:00 -0800<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A></A><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">josephc@wsu.edu</A>; <A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A></A><BR>CC:
<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Keely,</DIV>
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<DIV>I think a lot of people like Wal-Mart because it
provides jobs to people that have a hard time getting jobs
elsewhere. It provides disposable goods at a price more
affordable to people with lower incomes. And they
like the idea of free enterprise.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I understand many of people's objections to Wal-Mart.
I just don't understand why the people that object to
Wal-Mart cannot understand they do good too, and are not
lot a whole different than other super chain stores in the
country. They are just bigger and cheaper, most the
time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 1/18/09,
<SPAN>keely</SPAN> <SPAN>emerinemix</SPAN> <I><<A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
keely emerinemix <<A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>,
<A href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu"><A
href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">josephc@wsu.edu</A></A><BR>Cc:
<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A><BR>Date:
Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:39 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=EC_yiv605459050>Isn't the main question here
something along the lines of "why in God's name would a
church organization's leadership be so intensely drawn
to a Super WalMart store on the Palouse?"
<BR><BR>Or, conversely, "Why in God's name would a
church organization's leadership, in their desire to
welcome a Super WalMart, be so aggressively snotty
toward those who disagree?"<BR><BR>Keely<BR><A
href="http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/">http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:44:58 -0800<BR>> From:
godshatter@yahoo.com<BR>> To: josephc@wsu.edu<BR>>
CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] He's Baaaaaaack . . .<BR>> <BR>> The
current nosuperwalmart.com site doesn't appear to be
hosted by the U <BR>> of I. I was wondering if there
was an employee page that preceded the <BR>> domain
name or something.<BR>> <BR>> If the University is
not hosting the site, then the complaint must be
<BR>> that an employee of the University worked on
it. If they were told to <BR>> work on it as normal
performance of their duties, that's one thing. If
<BR>> the employee was working on it using University
computers and/or during <BR>> paid work hours, then
at best you have an employee breaking the rules <BR>>
of computer usage at the U of I. That does not make the
University or <BR>> the State liable for what they
were working on. If they are doing it on <BR>> their
own time, they have every right to do so. <BR>>
<BR>> So, does this suit have merit? Any official
hosting of the site, or <BR>> employees being paid
specifically to work on it by the University or the
<BR>> State?<BR>> <BR>> Paul<BR>> <BR>>
Joseph Campbell wrote:<BR>> > Get a clue. Check
the source.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On
1/17/09 5:59 PM, "Paul Rumelhart"
<godshatter@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>>
> <BR>> >> I've never seen the
nosuperwalmart site. What are the facts? Was it
an<BR>> >> official UI webpage? Was it the
personal page of a UI employee? In the<BR>> >>
first case, they have a case. In the second, the UI is
acting more as<BR>> >> an ISP hosting personal
content. I don't know the law there, but I<BR>>
>> doubt it's as cut-and-dried.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> What was the URL to the
page?<BR>> >><BR>> >> Paul<BR>>
>><BR>> >> g. crabtree wrote:<BR>>
>> <BR>> >>> I wish Mr. Glasebrook the
very best in this Endeavour. The U of I was<BR>>
>>> completely remiss in allowing taxpayer
resources to be squandered promoting<BR>>
>>> these causes and public officials are
negligent in their duties when not<BR>> >>>
taking citizen complaints seriously.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> g<BR>> >>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> >>> From:
"Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><BR>>
>>> To: <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:00
AM<BR>> >>> Subject: [Vision2020] He's
Baaaaaaack . . .<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>
<BR>> >>>> Remember Dave
Glasebrook?<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>> In case you don't, he's the carrothead
on the left . . .<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>>
http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/102907_Glasebrook.jpg<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> Well, he (for
lack of a more appropriate pronoun) is back.<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> Courtesy of
the Moscow-Pullman Daily News.<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>>
---------------------------------------------------------<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> Man files
petition requesting action from governor on allegations
against<BR>> >>>> UI<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> A Moscow
resident has taken legal action against Idaho Gov. C.L.
"Butch"<BR>> >>>> Otter, claiming the
governor "failed to faithfully enforce Idaho
law."<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>>
Dave Glasebrook filed a petition for a writ of mandate
against Otter in<BR>> >>>> Latah County
District Court on Monday.<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> The document
states Otter "breached public faith" and Glasebrook's
civil<BR>> >>>> rights by failing to
investigate Glasebrook's claims that the
University<BR>> >>>> of Idaho covered up
illegal computer use over the past several
years.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>>
Glasebrook claims the UI allowed an employee to run the
Web site<BR>> >>>> NoSuperWalMart.com
using UI computer and phone systems. He also claims
the<BR>> >>>> UI allowed people "to send
e-mail and post messages containing political,<BR>>
>>>> defamatory, threatening or otherwise
prohibited activity." The claim is<BR>>
>>>> primarily related to Internet postings
regarding the Moscow School<BR>> >>>>
District's 2007 levy election.<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> Glasebrook's
petition also asserts the UI violated open records law
by not<BR>> >>>> releasing certain
employee and student e-mails he requested related to
the<BR>> >>>> Web site and
postings.<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>> The petition requests Otter order Idaho
Attorney General Lawrence Wasden<BR>>
>>>> to subpoena information about
NoSuperWalmart.com, order the UI to release<BR>>
>>>> e-mail and electronic records to
Glasebrook and assign an Idaho State<BR>>
>>>> Police officer to retrieve material
from UI computers.<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>> Glasebrook's final request is for Otter
to appear before the court<BR>> >>>> to
"explain in detail why he does not want to follow the
laws he is sworn<BR>> >>>> to uphold and
why he does not want to uphold (Glasebrook's) civil
rights<BR>> >>>> and liberties."<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> Records
attached to the petition show Glasebrook has been
pursuing action<BR>> >>>> against the UI
since 2007. He has requested assistance from
Otter's<BR>> >>>> office, Idaho State
Supreme Court Chief Justice Daniel Eismann,
Latah<BR>> >>>> County Prosecuting
Attorney Bill Thompson, Moscow Prosecuting Attorney
Rod<BR>> >>>> Hall and former UI
President Tim White.<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>>
---------------------------------------------------------<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> Now, where did
I put those public records requests?<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> Great! Here
they are.<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>> Stay tuned, Moscow. More to follow . .
.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> Tom
Hansen<BR>> >>>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> "For a lapsed
Lutheran born-again Buddhist pan-Humanist
Universalist<BR>> >>>> Unitarian Wiccan
Agnostic like myself there's really no reason ever to
go<BR>> >>>> to work."<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> - Roy
Zimmerman<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>>
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