<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Darell,</DIV>
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<DIV>You are correct in respect to me being negative on the V. It is mostly in part because I have to deal with Hansen and people like him, who revels in belittling people like me, and even smashing my father, of all lows.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So, it does rub off on me on occasion. I shouldn't let it, but it does do what Hansen intends it to do. I use to think bullies went away when you got older, but they don't, they just older too. </DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, I am active in my community. Just not always in the same way as a student, as I am no longer a student. I was active from 2000-2006 at UI with the exception of the year 2003, which I will not get into. If I could still get out there and do more things, I would, but I cannot, anymore. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Today, I don't focus on helping on the public stage like I use at UI. I instead focus on helping individuals with disabilities that are in need of daily assistance and can learn from my experiences with a disability. It doesn't get me on the front page of the Daily News or the Argonaut, but I don't need those resources to do what I do now. But I do think they are just as meaningful.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I feel as though Moscow still discriminates greatly, and all of the problems I knew at UI when I left there, are still there, and in many cases, worse. Moscow could be so much more, but instead suffers from things other cities rid itself of long ago. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I wonder why few do anything to improve Moscow socially and economically. Many local leaders seem to just make excuses and are very unreasonable when it comes to most things. And they are hostile to any opposing suggestion or idea that is different than their own.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/15/09, Darrell <SPAN>Keim</SPAN> <I><keim153@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Darrell <SPAN>Keim</SPAN> <keim153@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I Program Cuts)<BR>To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, "Vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 6:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>You are correct, Donovan, I am "dogging on you."
I'll tell you why.
It is because I think you can do better than the negative, bitter
persona you project on Vision 2020.
You say you don't carry that negativity in your home, work or person.
I sincerely hope you are correct. As a long time reader of Vision
2020 I see someone that is happy to bring up the faults of our area.
But, I rarely see you proposing solutions. Nor, to my knowledge, have
I seen you make any efforts in real life to effect positive change in
our community (Again, maybe I'm wrong). I'm told you were very active
as a student, but what have you done since then? It is all well and
good to say "we need better jobs"or "lower cost housing,"
etc. But,
aside from posting here, what are you doing to effect the change you
believe we need? There are numerous city and county councils working
on just the two issues I mention above. These commissions are always
looking for smart, hard working people that are dedicated to Moscow.
People like you.
You posted here 79 times in December. What positive things could you
have done for our community in that time?
I have a few more comments interspersed in the quote below:
2009/1/15 Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>:
> Lets see here Darell,
>
> You attack me, and call me negative.
>
> I suggest positive changes we should make to Moscow to keep families and
> students happy, that they have suggested to me, and you dog on me.
I haven't noticed you posting positive changes. I've read you
pointing out negatives, but not trying to find solutions. It is all
well and good to say "We have a need for lower cost housing." But,
that is not posting a positive change. It is simply pointing out a
fault. Posting a positive change would require the additional step of
pointing out a change that could be made to begin solving the problem.
>
> I have lived in eight cities in Idaho, and eight other cities around the
> country ranging in size from a few hundred to over a million, I am fourth
> generation resident of Moscow, but according to you I haven't lived in
> enough cities or know Moscow well enough?
I never said you didn't know Moscow well enough. I simply don't think
you are comparing apples toapples when you list the things we don't
have that other communities do. I also think you are wrong when you
look at just Moscow, without also putting Pullman in the picture.
While the communities do compete, they're like siamese twins. They
can't get away from each other, and they frequently compliment one
another.
>
> Humm, what is the definition of irony again?
>
i⋅ro⋅ny1 /ˈaɪrəni, ˈaɪər-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation
[ahy-ruh-nee,
ahy-er-] –noun, plural -nies. 1. the use of words to convey a meaning
that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply,
"How nice!" when I said I had to work all weekend.
> If I am negative, it must be because of the negativity I get from certain
> people on this forum, because I certainly don't carry it in my home,
work,
> or in person.
One thing I've learned: You get what you give in life.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Darrell Keim <keim153@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I Program
> Cuts)
> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
> Cc: "Jennifer Ingalls" <jennifer@inlandradio.com>,
"vision 2020"
> <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 3:38 PM
>
> A couple of answers below:
> 2009/1/15 Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>:
>> Darrell,
>>
>> You obviously don't know me well if you don't know I have
lived in
>> many cities, half in Idaho.
> Obviously I don't know you well. Judging by the negative attitude you
> portray on this listserv, I think I like it that way. I will point
> out that having lived in many cities, half in Idaho, is not a terribly
> wide breadth of experience.
> I am pointing out why students don't stay in
>> Moscow. Obviously, the people that stay in Moscow find it to their
perfect
>> likely.
>>
>> But the issue is, if you want people to come here, UI and the city to
do
>> well, I would focus on the positive things you can do to improve that
>> situation. Not make excuses as why we cannot, or shouldn't do
anything
> to
>> help other people out.
> Focus on the positive things to improve is what I like to see, also.
> All I ever seem to see from you is the opposite.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Darrell Keim <keim153@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Darrell Keim <keim153@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I
Program
>> Cuts)
>> To: "Jennifer Ingalls" <jennifer@inlandradio.com>
>> Cc: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, "vision 2020"
> <vision2020@moscow.com>
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM
>>
>> Donovan:
>> Have you ever lived anywhere outside of Moscow? Especially in a
>> similarly sized community? I have, several different places in fact,
>> and I'm willing to bet you have not. For the size town it is,
Moscow
>> has an impressive list of things for families to do. And, despite
>> your incessant carping, a decent range of salaries, too. The key is
>> that you have to compare apples to apples.
>> Instead of listing what you think the town doesn't have, maybe you
>> should try being positive for a change. Perhaps the listserv will
>> help you come up with a list of things to do in town. I'll start:
>> Great restaurants
>> Nice parks
>> Several art galleries
>> What can you add, V2020?
>>> From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:30 AM
>>> To: 'vision 2020'; Jennifer Ingalls
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I
> Program
>>> Cuts)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jennifer,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I liked doing all those things too as a child in Moscow. But lets
face
> it,
>>> there is only so some many times you can visit the McConnell
Mansion
>> before
>>> it no longer entertaining to a child. And camping doesn't
count
>> because you
>>> have to leave Moscow to go do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are an outdoors type of person, there are lots of things to
do
> in
>>> North Idaho. But for many people that are not, it leaves something
to
> be
>>> desired.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One of the biggest complaints I heard from students was that there
was
>>> nothing to do in Moscow, and why so many people supported the
Student
>>> Recreation Building, which is more like a glorified and over
priced
> Idaho
>>> Athletic Club with a climbing wall then a recreation center for
> different
>>> kinds of recreational activities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not think I have found a mother at UI that thought
Moscow's
>> daycare was
>>> inexpensive. There is a huge waiting list too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What few things there are to do in Moscow, also cost a lot of
money,
> which
>>> is hard to afford when you have no money, because there are no
jobs
> that
>> pay
>>> above what you need to scrape by.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is less to do in Moscow now then was when my Mother was
child in
>>> Moscow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have no bowling alley. We have no roller skating ring. We have
no
> IMax
>>> Theater. We have fewer quality restaurants. We have no high tech
> gaming
>>> center. We have no science discovery park, we have no big museums.
No
> race
>>> cars. No theme parks, no big fancy hangouts, we don't even
really
> have
>> a
>>> year round swimming pool,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The best thing Moscow has for entertainment is the Library. Which
is a
>> great
>>> library, but hardly the place that comes to mind when we want to
think
>> about
>>> entertainment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you can always THINK of something to do in Moscow, but that
is
> the
>>> problem, you really have to THINK, to find something to do. Its
> Midnight
>> in
>>> Moscow, besides the bars and the Jack N the Crack drive-thru, what
is
>> open?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Donovan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Jennifer Ingalls
<jennifer@inlandradio.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Jennifer Ingalls <jennifer@inlandradio.com>
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I
Program
> Cuts)
>>> To: "'vision 2020'"
<vision2020@moscow.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 1:27 PM
>>>
>>> I don't necessarily want to get into the argument about
diversity
> in
>> Moscow
>>> or at UI, but I do take some issue with Donovan's statement,
> "Not
>> to mention
>>> the lack of affordable child care, or family fun activities."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I grew up in Moscow and though my family had more money than
families
>> where
>>> a student is the primary financier of the household, we were not
at a
> loss
>>> for family-friendly free activities (unless we were willfully
bored).
> This
>>> is not to say that we can't do better as a community at
providing
> free
>>> and/or inexpensive activities, but I think many of us forget those
> things
>>> that are available to us. For example, I –regretfully—cannot
> remember
>> the
>>> last time I went to the McConnell Mansion or picked up a walking
tour
>> guide
>>> of the towns history and hoofed it through Fort Russell (two
> activities
>> that
>>> occupied Spring and Summer days of my youth). The library (which I
>> remember
>>> as only being the old part of the building) was cool in the Summer
and
>> warm
>>> in the Winter. Organizations like Campfire, Boy Scouts, Girl
Scouts
> and
>>> local churches provided the three of us a lot of fun and
educational
>>> activities (both our family's church of choice and the
churches or
>> religious
>>> organizations of friends). My mom used to take us to Good Sam to
>> distribute
>>> our wares after craft days at the house. We'd ride bikes out
to
>> Robinson
>>> Lake Park , "fish" in Hordeman's pond, or take
advantage
> of
>> all the
>>> demonstrations, concerts and educational lectures the University
> offered.
>>> There were a lot of things to do!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll grant that I was a nerdy kid (still am). I, too, would
love
> to
>> see more
>>> activities available after school that would appeal to "at
> risk"
>> youth (I AM
>>> doing something about that with my involvement in Latah County
Youth
>>> Advocacy Council), but I don't think can jump on board with
the
> whole
>>> "there's nothing to do here" claim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jennifer L. Ingalls
>>>
>>>
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