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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But of course you do. You specifically
stated, "you don't have problems." What an arrogant statement. I may
or may not have problems; but the truth is YOU simply do not know. I do
appreciate your concern for those whose problems you recognize. I
think you do a great and wonderful service for them, but you make pretty bold
statements about folks whom you really do not know. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And one last point: if you don't know me well
enough to define what I have done for many years as a caregiver; then don't
make assumptions about my motives and my deeds. I have been a caregiver
longer than you have been alive......</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue H</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=bevbafus@verizon.net href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net">Bev Bafus</A> ;
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] plowing</DIV>
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<DIV>Keely and Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sue, I never made the boast of being all-knowing, so please don't
put such nonsense into your emails.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Part of being a caregiver is knowing when and when not to help
someone, and when that need is more serious or less serious. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Knowing when to help a person in a wheelchair, versus taking away
their independence to open a door for themselves, is a learned
concept. It is important that a person remain as independent as possible
for as long as possible.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sometimes you get people that CAN do things for themselves but want
someone to do it for them. If someone always does do it for them they
lose their independence and have a declining quality of life, and a
shortened life span. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Same thing happens with pain medication. If you cry wolf over ever
little pain to get a dose of pain killers, your body builds an
early natural resistance to the medication, and not tolerance
to pain. So people that cry wolf, end up in serious pain most the day
because they maximized the amount of painkillers they can take
<SPAN>earlier</SPAN> than most people. People that give pain medication
have to determine the real level of pain, verses a person with low
tolerance to discomfort so they do not have a patient they cannot help
in later stages of an illness.. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have seen people sweating and screaming in pain, because they
wanted the high of the pain killers and they don't work for them when
they are in real pain. All we can do is hold their hand, make them as
comfortable as possible, and sympathize with them. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would imagine both of you, as caregivers, would be administrating
the pain meds too early, and doing things for people when they should
doing them for themselves. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are not thinking ahead, you are just reacting emotionally with
no long term thinking about the consequences of your actions. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If any of you gave a rip about those in real need, rather then just
reacting to any and all things, you would have fought to keep
Latah's ONLY skilled nursing home, and the only opportunity for level 4
and 5 care level patients without private insurance to stay close to
family and friends. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This sidewalk thing is very frivolous. And is not addressing any
real problems. It is whining because you aren't interested in the real
problems of the community, nor are you offering or doing anything about
it. It is just something to complain about. Yes, it sucks stomping
through slush. But it isn't a serious problem to waste taxpayer monies
on during the worst economic recession since WWII. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And no Keely, we will not have to worry about me
ever being your caregiver, you will have to leave Latah
because you don't make enough to afford a caregiver in Latah.
The facility you would have qualified for is shut down now. How ironic
huh?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 1/11/09, <SPAN><SPAN>keely</SPAN></SPAN>
emerinemix <I><kjajmix1@msn.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com><BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020]
plowing<BR>To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey@moscow.com>,
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, "Bev Bafus"
<bevbafus@verizon.net>, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Sunday,
January 11, 2009, 11:32 AM<BR><BR>
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I shudder to think that, if I were ever under Donovan's care, he might
not judge me and my problems sufficient for his compassion. On
the other hand, it appears that the only suffering human beings around
us are all in his care, which makes me think he must be very tired,
indeed. Perhaps that contributes to his
sniping.<BR><BR>Keely<BR>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com;
bevbafus@verizon.net; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009
21:24:51 -1000<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] plowing<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And My God, we are fortunate to have
someone in the community who can fit all its citizens into the
appropriate categories--either deserving or whiners according to your
determination. I would submit that you are neither all-wise nor
all-knowing, but you appear to believe you are sufficient unto the
task.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best regards, my eye,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue H. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=bevbafus@verizon.net href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Bev Bafus</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
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Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:48 PM</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Vision2020] plowing</DIV>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are correct. I am insensitive to the needs of the
lazy able bodied who "think" they have problems because of
some snow on a sidewalk. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I deal with people with real problems. I work with
people on chemo therapy, dialysis, and other life
threatening illnesses. I deal with parents with children with
cases of Autism. I work with people that are missing
arms, legs, and are in advanced stages of
<SPAN>Alzheimer's</SPAN> or dementia. I work
for people that have only $80-$41 a month after
medical costs are paid. I deal with families losing their
children, mothers, brothers, sisters, and spouses of 60+
years. I deal with a man who was stationed in Hiroshima at the
end of WWII. I work with Veterans that cannot get proper
medical care for their war injuries. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You don't have problems, I don't have problems, people
fighting for removal of every snow flake don't have real
problems, You bet I am insensitive to the whiners and
complainers that don't have a CLUE as to what pain, suffering,
inconvenience and loss really is. They have everything handed
to them, and want future generations to pay for their luxury
and squandering without a bit of understanding of
what sacrifice is about. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I watched Latah County kick out everyone of its elderly
people in their care by closing down its only long term
facility. I saw no compassion from the county, just greedy
people wanting the building and how they could make money off
of it. I didn't even see anyone mention the funerals of those
that died shortly after their forced move. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are right, I have no compassion for the lazy able
bodied that want to waste taxpayers money while ignoring the
needs of the truly disabled and those with real problems and
challenges.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you took all the whiners and complainers about the
snow, gave them a shovel, they could solve their problem
without the government or taxpayer monies. But they cannot,
because they need the government to do anything and everything
for them. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/10/09, Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN>
<I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
<suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
plowing<BR>To: "Bev Bafus" <bevbafus@verizon.net>,
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009,
2:53 PM<BR><BR><PRE>Bev and others,<BR><BR>Personally I think too many people share Donovan's opinion (from an earlier<BR><BR>post:) if you don't like the snow, just move south. Contrary to what he <BR>feels, it is insensitive. To personalize a bit: we have spent most of our <BR>adult lives in Moscow. We raised 3 chidren here. We worked to make Moscow <BR>a better place for ourselves, our children, and others who love it despite <BR>it's winter weather. And now that we are retired we do leave in the<BR>winter. <BR>But, to be honest, we know that isn't a very good solution--most <BR>people--the folks who live and work in Moscow,
the elderly, the disabled, <BR>and others who just like the cold, deserve conditions that are safe for <BR>walking and travel. Before we left Norm did shovel our walks and driveway, <BR>only to have them plowed in with ice chunks he couldn't move. There were <BR>two days when we couldn't get out of our driveway even with 4 wheel drive <BR>because the berm that the snowplow left was simply immovable.<BR><BR>So, Bev, you make a valuable point. The city needs to take care not to make <BR>things worse when clearing roads, and residents and business people need to <BR>take care of their walks so everyone feels safe using them.<BR><BR>To say to Moscow residents, "If you don't like it, leave," simply<BR>allows one <BR>to wash his hands of the problems instead of working toward solutions.<BR><BR>>From one who admits she's glad to be out of the snow. (and in a<BR>Democratic <BR>state--what a bonus.)<BR><BR>Sue H.<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"Bev Bafus" <bevbafus@verizon.net><BR>To: <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:08 AM<BR>Subject: [Vision2020] plowing<BR><BR><BR>> Maybe I'm just obtuse, but I fail to see how taking the time to plow<BR>the<BR>> snow BACK onto the main streets helps anything, except make tempers rise.<BR>><BR>> Why not use the plow time to clear lanes that are still blocked?<BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> <BR><BR>=======================================================<BR> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>
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