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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Reread my post. I make no assumptions.
Your posts prove your arrogance. But what you say we go on to other
issues....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bevbafus@verizon.net
href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net">Bev Bafus</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ;
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] plowing</DIV>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think it is arrogant to assume that your problems compare to
others in this world. I am sure your problems seem like real problems to
you. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, snow on the sidewalks is not a real problem. And certainly
not one I am willing to pay more taxes on. I fear for the well-being of
a population that cannot even endure snow on sidewalks because they
haven't seen nothing yet to come. They don't have a clue, soup lines, no
medical, no car, no job etc. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 1/11/09, Sue Hovey <I><<A
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN> <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] plowing<BR>To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com,
"<SPAN>Bev</SPAN> Bafus" <bevbafus@verizon.net>,
vision2020@moscow.com, "keely emerinemix"
<kjajmix1@msn.com><BR>Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 4:07
PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But of course you do. You
specifically stated, "you don't have problems." What an arrogant
statement. I may or may not have problems; but the truth is YOU
simply do not know. I do appreciate your concern for those whose
problems you recognize. I think you do a great and
wonderful service for them, but you make pretty bold statements about
folks whom you really do not know. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And one last point: if you don't
know me well enough to define what I have done for many years as
a caregiver; then don't make assumptions about my motives and my
deeds. I have been a caregiver longer than you have been
alive......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue H</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=bevbafus@verizon.net href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Bev Bafus</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>keely emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 11, 2009
1:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020]
plowing</DIV>
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<DIV>Keely and Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sue, I never made the boast of being all-knowing, so
please don't put such nonsense into your emails.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Part of being a caregiver is knowing when and when not to
help someone, and when that need is more serious or less
serious. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Knowing when to help a person in a wheelchair, versus
taking away their independence to open a door for
themselves, is a learned concept. It is important that a
person remain as independent as possible for as long as
possible.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sometimes you get people that CAN do things for
themselves but want someone to do it for them. If someone
always does do it for them they lose their independence and
have a declining quality of life, and a shortened life span.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Same thing happens with pain medication. If you cry wolf
over ever little pain to get a dose of pain killers, your body
builds an early natural resistance to the medication, and
not tolerance to pain. So people that cry wolf, end up in
serious pain most the day because they maximized the amount of
painkillers they can take <SPAN>earlier</SPAN> than most
people. People that give pain medication have to determine the
real level of pain, verses a person with low tolerance to
discomfort so they do not have a patient they cannot help in
later stages of an illness.. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have seen people sweating and screaming in pain,
because they wanted the high of the pain killers and they
don't work for them when they are in real pain. All we can do
is hold their hand, make them as comfortable as
possible, and sympathize with them. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would imagine both of you, as caregivers, would be
administrating the pain meds too early, and doing things for
people when they should doing them for themselves. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are not thinking ahead, you are just reacting
emotionally with no long term thinking about the consequences
of your actions. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If any of you gave a rip about those in real need, rather
then just reacting to any and all things, you would have
fought to keep Latah's ONLY skilled nursing home, and the only
opportunity for level 4 and 5 care level patients without
private insurance to stay close to family and friends. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This sidewalk thing is very frivolous. And is not
addressing any real problems. It is whining because you aren't
interested in the real problems of the community, nor are you
offering or doing anything about it. It is just something to
complain about. Yes, it sucks stomping through slush. But it
isn't a serious problem to waste taxpayer monies on during the
worst economic recession since WWII. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And no Keely, we will not have to worry
about me ever being your caregiver, you will have to
leave Latah because you don't make enough to afford a
caregiver in Latah. The facility you would have qualified
for is shut down now. How ironic huh?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 1/11/09,
<SPAN><SPAN>keely</SPAN></SPAN> emerinemix
<I><kjajmix1@msn.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com><BR>Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] plowing<BR>To: "Sue Hovey"
<suehovey@moscow.com>, donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com,
"Bev Bafus" <bevbafus@verizon.net>,
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009,
11:32 AM<BR><BR>
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I shudder to think that, if I were ever under Donovan's
care, he might not judge me and my problems sufficient for
his compassion. On the other hand, it appears that the
only suffering human beings around us are all in his care,
which makes me think he must be very tired, indeed.
Perhaps that contributes to his
sniping.<BR><BR>Keely<BR>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To:
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; bevbafus@verizon.net;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:24:51
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And My God, we are fortunate to
have someone in the community who can fit all its citizens
into the appropriate categories--either deserving or whiners
according to your determination. I would submit that
you are neither all-wise nor all-knowing, but you appear to
believe you are sufficient unto the task.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best regards, my
eye,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue H. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=bevbafus@verizon.net
href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Bev Bafus</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
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Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Vision2020] plowing</DIV>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are correct. I am insensitive to the needs
of the lazy able bodied who "think" they have
problems because of some snow on a sidewalk. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I deal with people with real problems. I work
with people on chemo therapy, dialysis, and
other life threatening illnesses. I deal with
parents with children with cases of Autism.
I work with people that are missing arms, legs,
and are in advanced stages of
<SPAN>Alzheimer's</SPAN> or dementia. I work
for people that have only $80-$41 a
month after medical costs are paid. I deal with
families losing their children, mothers, brothers,
sisters, and spouses of 60+ years. I deal with a man
who was stationed in Hiroshima at the end of WWII.
I work with Veterans that cannot get proper
medical care for their war injuries. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You don't have problems, I don't have problems,
people fighting for removal of every snow flake
don't have real problems, You bet I am insensitive
to the whiners and complainers that don't have a
CLUE as to what pain, suffering, inconvenience and
loss really is. They have everything handed to them,
and want future generations to pay for their luxury
and squandering without a bit of
understanding of what sacrifice is about.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I watched Latah County kick out everyone of its
elderly people in their care by closing down its
only long term facility. I saw no compassion from
the county, just greedy people wanting the building
and how they could make money off of it. I didn't
even see anyone mention the funerals of those that
died shortly after their forced move. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are right, I have no compassion for the
lazy able bodied that want to waste taxpayers money
while ignoring the needs of the truly disabled and
those with real problems and challenges.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you took all the whiners and complainers
about the snow, gave them a shovel, they could solve
their problem without the government or taxpayer
monies. But they cannot, because they need the
government to do anything and everything for them.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/10/09, Sue
<SPAN>Hovey</SPAN>
<I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
<suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] plowing<BR>To: "Bev Bafus"
<bevbafus@verizon.net>,
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Saturday, January
10, 2009, 2:53 PM<BR><BR><PRE>Bev and others,<BR><BR>Personally I think too many people share Donovan's opinion (from an earlier<BR><BR>post:) if you don't like the snow, just move south. Contrary to what he <BR>feels, it is insensitive. To personalize a bit: we have spent most of our <BR>adult lives in Moscow. We raised 3 chidren here. We worked to make Moscow <BR>a better place for ourselves, our children, and others who love it despite <BR>it's winter weather. And now that we are retired we do leave in the<BR>winter. <BR>But, to be honest, we know that isn't a very good solution--most <BR>people--the folks who live and work in Moscow,
the elderly, the disabled, <BR>and others who just like the cold, deserve conditions that are safe for <BR>walking and travel. Before we left Norm did shovel our walks and driveway, <BR>only to have them plowed in with ice chunks he couldn't move. There were <BR>two days when we couldn't get out of our driveway even with 4 wheel drive <BR>because the berm that the snowplow left was simply immovable.<BR><BR>So, Bev, you make a valuable point. The city needs to take care not to make <BR>things worse when clearing roads, and residents and business people need to <BR>take care of their walks so everyone feels safe using them.<BR><BR>To say to Moscow residents, "If you don't like it, leave," simply<BR>allows one <BR>to wash his hands of the problems instead of working toward solutions.<BR><BR>>From one who admits she's glad to be out of the snow. (and in a<BR>Democratic <BR>state--what a bonus.)<BR><BR>Sue H.<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"Bev Bafus" <bevbafus@verizon.net><BR>To: <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:08 AM<BR>Subject: [Vision2020] plowing<BR><BR><BR>> Maybe I'm just obtuse, but I fail to see how taking the time to plow<BR>the<BR>> snow BACK onto the main streets helps anything, except make tempers rise.<BR>><BR>> Why not use the plow time to clear lanes that are still blocked?<BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> <BR><BR>=======================================================<BR> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>
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