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Donovan,<br><br>You would probably need to walk in this guy's shoes to fully understand his motivations for heaving them at Bush. If you think, he's just a nutjob, then there really isn't a rational explanation for his actions is there? If you turn the situation around and say that hypothetically, your country was invaded and occupied by a country like China who believed that your way of life was wrong, would you just throw down your weapons, give up, and bow to their leader when he stepped on your soil to claim victory or would you pick up a rock or a shoe or whatever you could get your hands on and chuck it at him? By the tenor of your comments, it seems that you would just comply with your occupiers and thank them for changing yor whole way of life. I'm not saying that this shoe chucker's life is for the worse or for the better of the Iraq invasion, it's definitely different for him and he's obviously not very pleased about it. Personally, I don't see this as an attack on the US, I see this as an Iraqi who is infuriated at Bush for causing upheaval in his country.<br><br>-Scott<br><br>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:44:06 -0800<br>> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>> To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com; jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush<br>> <br>> Gary,<br>> <br>> Now don't get the "Its always the US's fault" crowd going again. Of course this guy is attacking the very people that freed him to be able to throw shoes without being chopped up and sent to his wife and children.<br>> <br>> Best Regards,<br>> <br>> Donovan<br>> <br>> <br>> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> > From: g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush<br>> > To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 6:34 PM<br>> > The most amusing aspect of the whole shoes of outrage<br>> > incident is that the opinionated lil' feller felt<br>> > comfortable enough to act out. Had our brave voice of the<br>> > people attempted a similar stunt pre GW's little<br>> > modification to the countries ruling hierarchy, he would<br>> > most likely be being sponged out of the discharge chute of<br>> > an industrial chipper shredder, or dipped in a vat of acid,<br>> > or repeatedly tossed off the second story of the local<br>> > police station, or had some of his favorite body parts<br>> > removed, or if he was extremely lucky, simply shot. Slightly<br>> > less lucky and his family would join him in his fate. Boy,<br>> > did we ever mess things up over there!<br>> > <br>> > g<br>> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>> > From: Sunil Ramalingam <br>> > To: vision 2020 <br>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:34 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Donovan,<br>> > <br>> > I don't give a rat's ass about this guy's<br>> > citizenship; now that's a red herring. I can see that<br>> > he wasn't attacked by a foreigner, since it looks like<br>> > the guy was an Iraqi in his own country.<br>> > <br>> > I am perturbed that he was able to get the second shoe<br>> > off, and I don't recommend people throw shoes at<br>> > presidents, or most other people. I also don't think<br>> > they should be killed for doing it.<br>> > <br>> > What I am least concerned about, and what I find<br>> > remarkable, is the notion that our sovereignty was<br>> > threatened. When we start showing respect for the<br>> > sovereignty of other states, I may come to see our own<br>> > sovereignty has a delicate flower in need of protection. <br>> > You can keep repeating your concern, and I'll still find<br>> > it either meaningless or ludicrous. Important issue my foot.<br>> > That guy wasn't making a statement about sovereignty,<br>> > he was illustrating his view of Bush.<br>> > <br>> > Worrying that our sovereignty was somehow threatened<br>> > strikes me like worrying about Rush Limbaugh's ego<br>> > should he hear a criticism of his views.<br>> > <br>> > As far as tempting us, apparently they did that by having<br>> > oil under their ground. <br>> > <br>> > Sunil<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0800<br>> > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>> > To: vision2020@moscow.com; tiedye@turbonet.com<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush<br>> > <br>> > Dave and Sunil,<br>> > <br>> > What is clear is that you are not bothered by an<br>> > attempt to assault the President of the United States by<br>> > someone that is not a US Citizen.<br>> > <br>> > It doesn't matter if the US President is<br>> > assaulted by a foreigner on his soil or ours. It is still an<br>> > attack on US Sovereignty. That is the point. If you missed<br>> > that, I will repeat it; It doesn't matter if the US<br>> > President is assaulted by a foreigner on his soil or ours.<br>> > Is is still an attack on US Sovereignty.<br>> > <br>> > I think focusing on the fact that the US base was<br>> > in Iraq, is a big smelly red herring intentionally thrown<br>> > into to the argument to avert away from the important issue<br>> > of US security and sovereignty, which is what is being<br>> > challenged. <br>> > <br>> > And yes, Sunil, Middle Eastern nations do need to<br>> > be careful about how they behave because the US has no<br>> > qualms about blowing people up or invading nations. It is<br>> > idiotic for a people to tempt and taunt those with the<br>> > biggest weapons that are also willing to use them. <br>> > <br>> > Best Regards,<br>> > <br>> > Donovan<br>> > <br>> > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Dave<br>> > <tiedye@turbonet.com> wrote:<br>> > <br>> > From: Dave <tiedye@turbonet.com><br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at<br>> > President Bush<br>> > To: "vision2020"<br>> > <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:14 AM<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Donovan Arnold wrote:> I meant, Sunil, that the guy who<br>> > attacked the US President was not a USCitizen. I guess you<br>> > can play semantics if you want, but I think my meaning<br>> > wasclear. >> Quite clear: you think that the USA<br>> > owns the world.Dave-- Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same<br>> > choice as:McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real)<br>> > Co-Op.=======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com=======================================================<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > <br>> > ==============================================================================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. <a href='http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008' target='_new'>Get your HotmailŪ account.</a></body>
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