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Thanks, Donovan. I'll remember you when once again some of my gifts don't quite elicit the touching gratitude I'd hoped for.<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:23:02 -0800<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 265<br>To: godshatter@yahoo.com; donaledwards@hotmail.com; kjajmix1@msn.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-font: none;" valign="top"><div>Keely,</div>
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<div>Great post. I am frightened by the next generations degree of materialism and false sense of entitlement. It is dangerous not only for the country's future, but also for their own soul and happiness while on Earth. </div>
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<div>I think your idea of eliminating a "want list" from Santa, or as you could call it, a "demand list", is a good idea. </div>
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<div>Children should be taught the the best things in life; good health, loving friends and family, and a job you enjoy, are what make life worth living, not what is found on a retail shelf. </div>
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<div>Best Regards,</div>
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<div><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 11/28/08, keely <span>emerinemix</span> <i><kjajmix1@msn.com></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">From: <span>keely</span> emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 265<br>To: godshatter@yahoo.com, donaledwards@hotmail.com<br>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 4:23 PM<br><br>
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Interesting point, Paul, with "customer" as a better description than "consumer" for people who buy things. "Consumer" conjures images of PacMan-like non-stop, mindless buzzing and devouring . . . although that seems to describe the Wal Mart tragedy fairly well.<br><br>So while we're on the subject . . . how do you all, especially those of you with children, feel about "Santa lists" and such? My kids are 15 and almost 20; it's been a long time, obviously, since we dealt with Santa Claus. Even then, we explained that he was a friend of Jesus' who visited once a year to remind us of Jesus' birth and helped us distribute things to people in need. (Yeah, a rollicking fun mom I was . . . ). <br><br>But we never allowed them to make up lists of things they wanted, either from Santa or from Aunt Stephanie or anyone else. I really hate the image of children writing out what only looks like a "demand list." It
presumes, one, that they're entitled to receive things and, two, that they're entitled to dictate to the donors what, exactly, it is that they should choose for them to receive. Of course we kept in mind things like the cool factor of the Pirate Lego set vs. the Space Explorer Lego set, and we tried to steer family members away from things we found objectionable, like guns, but I never even liked -- and still don't today -- the idea of ticking off a list of things so-and-so wants, either for my kids to receive or for me to give to other relatives. I like to receive small, thoughtful, meaningful things that show me that whoever is gifting me knows me, my tastes, my interests, etc., and wants to reflect them. Jeff's gift last year of a leather briefcase and a book on the history of travel trailers meant so much to me. Ditto for the beautiful leather notebook he gave me two years before, or our first Christmas together's tiny vial
of my favorite perfume. They'd have meant a lot less if I'd simply handed him my order for the year. Likewise, a history of reggae for my eldest is a lot more fun to give when he's unaware that the book even exists. <br><br>This, of course, puts me on the list of Uncool Aunts sometimes. I don't like giving or getting gift cards, even though I understand they're a concession to holiday stress and overwhelming choice. But I'd rather buy my niece something that sparks warm thoughts of her or would help her in her career than go out, list in hand, and try to satisfy even the most humbly-written tally of preferred gifts. My side of the family -- my mother, father and step-mother, brother and his wife and daughter, are all donating to favorite charities for Christmas this year, and while the gift-giving of Christmas continues apace on my husband's side of the family, I would love to see a return to the exchange of simple,
well-thought-out tokens of affection, rather than the inevitable disappointment that Aunt Keely didn't get the director's cut of the movie instead of the commercial cut, or bought a book instead of the peach-mango scented organic body lotion set.<br><br>So am I the only mom-sister-aunt-daughter-daughter-in-law who feels this way?<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br><br><br>> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:05:10 -0800<br>> From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>> To: donaledwards@hotmail.com<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 29, Issue 265<br>> <br>> donald edwards wrote:<br>> > You're right, Keely, this is awful. Even the nastiest mosh pits or <br>> > concerts I've been to have a code of making sure the people that go <br>> > down get helped up right away. Thanks for sharing this important <br>> > reflection of the direction humanity
sometimes seems to be taking <br>> > lately. Don<br>> > <br>> > Examples like this have something to say for consumerism in America. <br>> > Which used to be practically a swear word until mind bending <br>> > advertising took full effect.<br>> <br>> I always hate it when corporations refer to us as "consumers". I don't <br>> exist only to consume things. It also leads to a disposable mindset <br>> instead of making things that last longer. I liked the old-fashioned <br>> "customer", which refers to the idea that each person is being sought <br>> after for their "custom" (or the idea that they will regularly buy at <br>> your shop). That was a much healthier mindset, in my opinion.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>>
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