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Thanks, Roger. It wasn't Dan's reply to me, though -- it was someone else who was really angry with me, but whose anger confirmed what I had come to think.<br><br>I don't think I've even commented on the Africa thing, because I don't care -- as I said in my earlier reply to you, I understand when people slip up. I've tried to explain why, as a Christian and a woman, I am bothered by her presence on the national stage. A verbal gaffe here and there isn't my point at all.<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br><br><br>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:03:37 -0800<br>> From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> To: kjajmix1@msn.com; nickgier@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Brotherly love and Palin (was Palin Thinks Africa)<br>> <br>> Keely<br>> I accept your reply to Dan. I have criticized Palen on a few points also, but on the whole I thing she is a fine lady. What I dislike is for people to belittle Palin over what I think is a false rumor and don't do the same about Obama lack of knowledge on geography (57 state) . For the record I think this was a slip of the tongue and he knows full well how many state there are.<br>> Roger<br>> -----Original message-----<br>> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1@msn.com<br>> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:52:30 -0800<br>> To: lfalen@turbonet.com, nickgier@roadrunner.com, vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Brotherly love and Palin (was Palin Thinks Africa)<br>> <br>> > <br>> > Roger, I think your work on the Grange is wonderful. I'm hard pressed, though, to see how that relates to my comments about Sarah Palin. <br>> > <br>> > It's hard for me to understand how my assessment -- my opinion -- of this national figure's leadership attributes and experience can be stated without using words like "incurious" and "uninformed." Likewise, the drumbeat of testimony that she's a prima donna merely confirms other evidence that she's in over her head and completely oblivious to it. To paraphrase Ann Richards about George H. W. Bush, she was placed on third base by the McCain campaign and seems to think she hit a triple. That she's behaved boorishly and peevishly while rounding the bases is just an added problem brought about by her sudden appearance on the field.<br>> > <br>> > Please note that I said she was "intellectually sluggish," by which I mean that she seems not terribly eager to educate herself about the world around her. I think that's an important trait for a Vice President to have. "Sluggishness" indicates a level of volition here; she is more than able to grasp things better than she does, but there's no evidence that that's important to her. If I said she was "stupid," that would be mean. "Intellectually sluggish" is a nod to her responsibility for making use of the gifts she's been given. It's no crime to not know of any Supreme Court cases when asked, unless you're running for the Vice Presidency with a decent likelihood of becoming the President who must choose three new Supreme Court justices. Then, not knowing anything is bad -- "bad" in ways that she, and only she, can remedy. And she can. She isn't stupid. There's no organic deficit here. She isn't Forrest Gump, Roger. There's no evidence that she's developmentally delayed<br>> or otherwise affected. She just hasn't chosen to power up, which would be of no concern to me whatsoever if she weren't running for the second-most powerful position in the nation. I'll gladly acknowledge that I haven't chosen to study much about astronomy, and I can't imagine anyone caring -- unless I were tapped to become director of Tucson's Mt. Graham observatory.<br>> > <br>> > One other point that I need to make here is that when Sarah Palin chose to grab onto the spotlight offered her by John McCain, she did so knowing that she'd take her knocks just like any other candidate. Most other candidates, though, don't gather around them sycophants who gush over her as our nation's "Esther" or "Deborah," evoking Old Testament imagery to elevate Palin to the stratosphere of influence and power. She does. Most other candidates don't take on more than they're prepared for, because they know they'll be sifted like flour and found wanting if they can't demonstrate a grasp of the issues whose understanding is required of the office. She did. And most other candidates don't risk shaming the party, much less the Gospel, with profligate spending and profligate cluelessness, with more than a sprinkling of petty nastiness and evasion. She has. These things haven't "happened to her." These are things she's chosen; they're not just random occurences over which she<br>> has no control and even less awareness.<br>> > <br>> > I believe you're aware, Roger, of my policy of not personally criticizing those who don't identify as Christians, or, in the case of Rove and Cheney, limiting my criticisms to unbelievers whose conduct is so horrendous and yet so unblinkingly accepted by too many Christians that it requires a little Christian comment and rebuke. Further, I said from the beginning that it was wrong to criticize Todd Palin because his daughter got pregnant, and it was beyond wrong to criticize the daughter herself, or any other candidate's children, or even how candidates raise their children. Palin, though, has chosen to barrel onto the stage unprepared, undeserving, unqualified and uninformed, and has gleefully done so while accepting the accolades accompanying the mantle of Old Testament prophetess and judge repersonified that some of the religious right has cast upon her. <br>> > <br>> > I find that bothersome. I find the tone of her campaign unfortunate. I find the divisiveness she sought, stirred up, and symbolized unpleasant. But "bothersome," "unfortunate," and "unpleasant" is the kind of talk that keeps people convinced that it's not that bad. It IS that bad, and bad enough that a little truth-telling among sisters in Christ probably isn't going to shatter either of us. I'm truly sorry it disappoints you.<br>> > <br>> > Keely<br>> > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:21:58 -0800<br>> > > From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> > > To: kjajmix1@msn.com; nickgier@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Palin thought that Africa was one nation<br>> > > <br>> > > Keely<br>> > > It is hard to respond to your mean spirited atack on Palen. Since you preach brotherly love, you should do better. I am all for women's rights. I am the president of the Moscow Grange. The Grange was founded in the 1860"s. At their beginning they recognized the importance of women. All offices of the Grange have always been open to women. Three are reserved for women only.<br>> > > Roger<br>> > > -----Original message-----<br>> > > From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1@msn.com<br>> > > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:58:18 -0800<br>> > > To: lfalen@turbonet.com, nickgier@roadrunner.com, vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Palin thought that Africa was one nation<br>> > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > Roger, I'm all for giving people a break when they slip up on the public stage, but Sarah Palin has proved that she is an opportunistic, conniving and manipulative woman entirely out of her element, a woman whose judgment and ethics are seriously deficient, even if she were brilliant. And yet, she's given no reason for Americans to conclude anything other than this: She is an incurious, narrow-minded, uninformed, intellectually sluggish woman with a personality high on the WOW-factor scale and a face the camera loves. That might make her a ton of fun at a party; it might even make her effective in any number of public-engagement fields. But she was chosen for the slot to appease the far-religious right, which hasn't exactly distinguished itself by a demonstration of intellectual rigor or judgment, and in the grossly mistaken view that since Hillary lost, we women would flock to anyone else whose 5th grade experience included "Becoming a Woman," complete with complimentary<br>> > > maxi-pads and facial toner. <br>> > > > <br>> > > > McCain was wrong. Part of being a feminist woman is that you believe in keeping the bar raised high, because you know that so many very bright, capable women can clear it if given the opportunity.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Keely<br>> > > > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:51:57 -0800<br>> > > > > From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> > > > > To: lfalen@turbonet.com; nickgier@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin thought that Africa was one nation<br>> > > > > <br>> > > > > <br>> > > > > -----Original message-----<br>> > > > > From: lfalen lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> > > > > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:24:06 -0800<br>> > > > > To: nickgier@roadrunner.com, vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin thought that Africa was one nation<br>> > > > > <br>> > > > > > This is a leak from an anonymous campaign worker. It is unconfirmed and undoubtedly false.I thought that you ignored anonymous sources. This is merely the start of a campaign to destroy her by false accusations. She like everyone else has make some mistakes. She did not preform well in an interview with Kate Couric and in another interview she hemed and hawed about whether bombing an Abortion clinic was terrorism. She should have stated so straight out as John McCain did. The problem is that every one else has had poor responses too, they have been ignored. People that have had personal interaction with her say that she is a highly intelligent woman with a lot of savvy. I and other conservatives that I know are willing to give Obama a chance. We will wait and see how he performs. Please be gracious in victory and quit trying to destroy her. Disagree with her views if you like, but don,t belittle her intelligence.<br>> > > > > > Roger<br>> > > > > > -----Original message-----<br>> > > > > > From: nickgier@roadrunner.com<br>> > > > > > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:34:37 -0800<br>> > > > > > To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Palin thought that Africa was one nation<br>> > > > > > <br>> > > > > > > Good Morning Visionaries:<br>> > > > > > > <br>> > > > > > > Look at this exchange on Fox News on further revelations of Palin's ignorance and her refusal to be coached for the Katie Courac interview. Palin also did not know the members of NAFTA: Canada, U.S., and Mexico.<br>> > > > > > > <br>> > > > > > > http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/11/05/team-mccain-slams-palin.aspx<br>> > > > > > > <br>> > > > > > > 52 million Americans voted for this woman!<br>> > > > > > > <br>> > > > > > > Nick Gier<br>> > > > > > > <br>> > > > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > > > > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > > > > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > > > > > > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > > > > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > > > <br>> > > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > > > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > > > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > > > > > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > > > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > > <br>> > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > > > > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > <br>> > > > _________________________________________________________________<br>> > > > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email.<br>> > > > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008<br>> > > > <br>> > <br>> > _________________________________________________________________<br>> > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live<br>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/<br>> > <br><br /><hr />Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. <a href='http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008' target='_new'>Sign up today.</a></body>
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