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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>So much for the language in the bailout bill (aka The
Great Fuck-Over of 2008) allegedly preventing such corrupt theft. It would
not be anything that I would ever, ever consider doing, but I'm surprised
that there hasn't been assassination attempts against any of the CEOs of the
corporations that are pulling this thievery.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<H2 class=EC_CommonTitle>$50 billion of bailout going to employee bonuses</H2>
<DIV class=EC_postPostedDiv>Posted Oct 31 2008, 07:30 AM by Andrew Horowitz
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if the economic bailout by U.S. taxpayers isn't enough to
make you sick to your stomach, new information has come to light that several
banks are planning to pay billions of dollars in year-end bonuses from the
bailout funds they received. Investigations are beginning into the nine
banks that took in the first $125 billion -- the same $125 billion that
was supposed to be used to unclog the credit system which was preventing banks
from providing much needed funds for individuals and businesses.</P>There are
many feathers in a ruffle over this and New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo
and several congressmen are furious that over $20 billion has already been
earmarked as bonus funds for management and employees. Unbelievably, that
is just the estimates from <A
href="http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=gs"
target=_blank><B><U><FONT color=#0000ff>Goldman Sachs</FONT></U></B></A>, <A
href="http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=ms"
target=_blank><B><U><FONT color=#0000ff>Morgan Stanley</FONT></U></B></A> and
<A href="http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=mer"
target=_blank><B><U><FONT color=#0000ff>Merrill Lynch</FONT></U></B></A>.
There are six more banks that are also working on similar heists.<BR>Here is
their rationale for using that money: It is reported that the financial
industry pays base salaries in the range of $80,000 to $600,000 and apparently
that is simply not enough to keep some of the best and brightest working to
keep their companies profitable. It seems that if they were paid only this
<I>meager</I> amount, the company would risk mass defections. That would be a
real problem...or would it?<BR>Maybe it is time to peg annual bonuses to
something meaningful like profitability. As I recall, not only are these the
firms that have been losing money (as is evident by the need for a massive
multi-billion dollar bailout) but they have also been shown to be the creators
of securitization, derivatives, sub-prime mortgages and other toxic credit
that is the root cause of this historic global economic catastrophe! <BR>Maybe
I am being too harsh? Perhaps management is entitled to hundreds of millions
in bonuses for the hard work they do, day in and day out. You have to feel
sorry for them as most have had to give up their private jets and instead fly
in a cramped seat in first class. Surely most will now have to wonder how they
will deal with the excess workload as they have had to fire thousands of
employees. Also, they will need to use a good chunk of that money to rebuild
their retirement plans as much of their wealth was tied up in their company's
stock which, under their leadership, could be down more than 60% just this
year alone. <BR>What do you think?<BR><B>Related Reading:</B><BR><A
title="TDI Podcast"
href="http://www.thedisciplinedinvestor.com/blog/2008/10/23/tdi-episode-80-predicting-sp500-crash/"
target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff><U>Listen: TDI Podcast - Predicting another
40% down </U></FONT></A><BR><A title="Waxman Requests"
href="http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=2265" target=_blank><FONT
color=#0000ff><U>Henry Waxman Requests for Bonus
information</U></FONT></A><BR><A
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/17/executivesalaries-banking"
target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff><U>Wall Street banks in $70bln staff payout
</U></FONT></A><BR><A title=Dealbook
href="http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/14/banks-face-pay-curbs-but-effects-are-unclear/"
target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff><U>Will Banks really need to curb CEO
Pay?</U></FONT></A><BR><A
href="http://www.thedisciplinedinvestor.com/blog/2008/10/30/500-billion-of-401k-wealth-is-destroyed/"
target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>$500 billion of 401k wealth is
destroyed</FONT></U></A><BR><I>Andrew Horowitz is a money manager and the
founder of <A href="http://www.horowitzandcompany.com/" target=_blank><U><FONT
color=#0000ff>Horowitz & Company</FONT></U></A>. He is also the author of
the bestselling book, <I><A
href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0978708377/msnblogs-20"
target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>The Disciplined Investor</FONT></U></A> .
</I>Check out his latest investment idea or listen in as he hosts, <A
href="http://www.thedisciplinedinvestor.com/" target=_blank><U><FONT
color=#0000ff>The Disciplined Investor
Podcast.</FONT></U></A></I><BR> <BR> <BR>
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<DIV class=comment>Seems to me if I were to benefit from say $150,000 bonus,
I'd pay off my mortgage and my bills and be debt free. Why doesn't the
govenment give that 700 billion to the people to pay off their mortgatges
(mortgage problem solved) and if you divide that between the 3 million in the
country?? Even if you tax it there would still be enough to bail out the
people in foreclosure and even those who aren't but may be soon. Viola! no
toxic mortgages and people would be able to spend which would restore
confidence. Then if the govenment would regulate the credit card
companies and those golden parachute salaries ...... <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<P style="WIDTH: 430px"><SPAN class=EC_comment-footer-left-span><STRONG>Mesha
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<DIV class=comment>This is why Paulson and Bernanke...and B. Frank...did not
want any oversight or scrutinity of the plan...it was just a big fat payoff
the their buddies on Wall Street...our Gov't and Wall Street are just crooks
bankrupting this country. <BR>Don't believe it? What if you stole
millions from investors, pension funds, taxpayers...where would you be?
To date, ZERO regulators...ZERO lawmakers...ZERO execs in jail.
They just turned this into a Socialist country and left with our money
and are laughing all the way to Switerland! <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<P style="WIDTH: 430px"><SPAN class=EC_comment-footer-left-span><STRONG>Matt T
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<DIV class=comment>The thing they should have done to these guys was to freeze
their personal assets and repay the systems they bilked. They bilked
their customers in bad deals, they bilked their own companies by taking money
they never really EARNED (you know like with a real job). Now for the
knockout punch, after we are forced to pay for their mistakes as taxpayers,
after paying for their mistakes as customers, they get BONUSES!!!!!!!!!
Where can we all sign up for jobs like that. If I lost money even
at the rate 250.00 per month I would be looking for another job. What
makes these people feel that they are so much better and more important than
the people they make their living off the backs of???? <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=comment>I managed a small retail business. I had a base salary and
received a year end bonus based on company profit. Guess what? If we
weren't profitable...no bonus.<BR>A third grader could figure that one out.
One again our government, who can't balance their own check books, are giving
financial carte blanche to a bunch of criminals. Ted Stevens must be running
that show. I am beyond disgusted.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=comment>I'll pray for them.. the bible says it's easier for a camel
to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to
heaven...<BR>you better get on your knees<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=comment>I am sure that each one of you commenting has the ability
to do perform their job responsibilities - if so perhaps you should apply for
the job at a reduced salary. <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=comment>Pardon my french, but this is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. It's time
for another tea party, but this time in DC. When does it stop ? The rich stay
rich after 'gambling' away their fortunes - It's like 'WHERE'S MINE' ?
Do you think this makes our economy stronger ? No, it makes the
lawmakers look like BLITHERING IDIOTS giving a multi-billion dollar early
X-mas gift to all their Wall Street pals. Enough is enough - Let's see if Nov.
4th changes things. Not likely. That's all !<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=comment>I can't believe that our so call government is giving money
to help solve this that was cause by greedy CEO's and the Board of directors
let them get away with. That's not fair, there need to be control/limits on
these CEO's, now we are paying for there stupid
mistake<BR>Mike<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=comment>Bonuses are used as rewards for excellent performance and
as a means to retain top talent from defecting to competitors. That
model is dead in the banking industry, as I don't think their is any worry
about an executive from Goldman jumping ship to go to merrill because he could
make more bonus money. The market has corrected, adn this the financial
industry incomes will be corrected as well. <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=comment>I remember not to long ago, Obama had reservations about
this bailout and said we really needed to know how this was going to be
used...he caught a lot of flack for it and then decided to go ahead and
endorse the bailout because of the constant criticising and that something
needed to be done, McCain was all for it no questions....wmmmmm, guess
everyone is scratching their heads now and saying maybe Obama and others who
were not sure about this had a point......<BR>My husband does not get a bonus
unless he earns it through helping the company he works make gains....why
should it be any different with large ones like these...This is like rewarding
a child for bad behavior....shame on these companies!<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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