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Visionaires --<br><br>Anyone who believes that I have misrepresented No Weatherman in the paragraph he quotes, below, please raise your right hand. Further, anyone who recognizes this strand of anti-tax, anti-government, anti-poor thought as a regular line from a local church, take a bow. <br><br>And anyone who thinks I'm a liar, Farraked-up or otherwise: Have a lovely day.<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:30:00 -0800<br>> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama cancels interview with a Free (not in the tank) Press<br>> <br>> Ummmmm.<br>> <br>> Let me make sure I understand this.<br>> <br>> You misrepresented my by saying, "Yep, we now have the social safety<br>> net afforded by taxes being equated not only with theft and innate<br>> anti-Godliness, but now sociopathy . . . by church folks. Christians,<br>> even."<br>> <br>> And I asked you to substantiate your position by showing me where I<br>> wrote you alleged I wrote.<br>> <br>> You reply asking, "Is it at all possible for you to imagine, if only<br>> for a second, that everything in the world doesn't somehow refer back<br>> to you?"<br>> <br>> I would think you have the decency to support your allegation but not<br>> only are you indecent, you're deceitful. You couldn't answer my<br>> question because, as usual, you were lying.<br>> <br>> This has happened at least five times and each time you come back with<br>> a self-serving response that makes you look better at the expense of<br>> the truth.<br>> <br>> You are seriously Farraked up.<br>> <br>> <br>> On 10/27/08, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Is it at all possible for you to imagine, if only for a second, that<br>> > everything in the world doesn't somehow refer back to you?<br>> ><br>> > Keely<br>> > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:43:43 -0400<br>> ><br>> > > From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<br>> > > To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama cancels interview with a Free (not in the<br>> > tank) Press<br>> > ><br>> > > Ms. Mix:<br>> > ><br>> > > As usual, you're lying.<br>> > ><br>> > > And, as usual, you have extenuating circumstances.<br>> > ><br>> > > Can you please show me where I argued "we now have the social safety<br>> > > net afforded by taxes being equated not only with theft and innate<br>> > > anti-Godliness, but now sociopathy"?<br>> > ><br>> > > Or did you get another freebase rush of self-righteousness by<br>> > > misrepresenting me to make yourself look holy?<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:25 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com><br>> > wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Yep, we now have the social safety net afforded by taxes being equated<br>> > not<br>> > > > only with theft and innate anti-Godliness, but now sociopathy . . . by<br>> > > > church folks. Christians, even.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Strange days, indeed.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Keely<br>> > > > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > >> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:11:36 -0800<br>> > > >> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<br>> > > >> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama cancels interview with a Free (not in<br>> > the<br>> > > >> tank) Press<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Dave:<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> I'll make this simple because I do not want to tax your few remaining<br>> > > >> brains cells too much<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> You have to establish the boundaries of government, which includes<br>> > > >> their authority to tax, before you declare a free for all.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Paul feels perfectly comfortable when the government takes from others<br>> > > >> who are wealthier than he is but I have sneaking suspicion that his<br>> > > >> comfort zone would soon be violated if the state came knocking on his<br>> > > >> door.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> As for you, you probably feel morally superior to me because of the<br>> > > >> overwhelming generosity you display with other people's money. As for<br>> > > >> sociopaths, maybe you should consider your lack of compunction when it<br>> > > >> comes to stealing from others.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> I would empathize with you but I'm afraid that's a moral trait I<br>> > desire.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> On 10/27/08, Dave <tiedye@turbonet.com> wrote:<br>> > > >> > It is entirely obvious that no clue is totally devoid of empathy.<br>> > > >> > Therefore, of course, a sociopath.<br>> > > >> ><br>> > > >> > Dave<br>> > > >> ><br>> > > >> ><br>> > > >> ><br>> > > >> > Paul Rumelhart wrote:<br>> > > >> > > Are you really trying to equate a non-linear tax model as<br>> > "socialism"?<br>> > > >> > > That's a stretch, in my opinion. Everyone is still paying taxes,<br>> > > >> > > except<br>> > > >> > > for the very poorest of us. The percentages just change.<br>> > > >> > ><br>> > > >> > > I also don't like the implication that the rich "earned it and<br>> > deserve<br>> > > >> > > it". That would imply that the poor and the middle class did not<br>> > earn<br>> > > >> > > it or deserve it. That, fundamentally, is why I can't stand the<br>> > > >> > > position you are taking. You appear to think that just because<br>> > you've<br>> > > >> > > been lucky (yes, lucky) enough to make good money, you deserve it<br>> > more<br>> > > >> > > than the next guy. There are just as many hard-working poor and<br>> > middle<br>> > > >> > > class people as there are hard-working privileged people, if not<br>> > more.<br>> > > >> > ><br>> > > >> > > As for the fear that Obama will raise taxes for everyone<br>> > eventually,<br>> > > >> > > well, someone has to take responsibility and pay back the enormous<br>> > > >> > > debt<br>> > > >> > > that the current administration has heaped on us, don' t you think?<br>> > > >> > > Especially if we intend to continue the nationalizing of banks that<br>> > > >> > > the<br>> > > >> > > current administration has started.<br>> > > >> > ><br>> > > >> > > Paul<br>> > > >> > ><br>> > > >> > > No Weatherman wrote:<br>> > > >> > ><br>> > > >> > >>> Actually, it's called paying a portion of what you make to a<br>> > central<br>> > > >> > >>> pool<br>> > > >> > >>> which will be used to take care of things no one person wants to<br>> > > >> > >>> take care<br>> > > >> > >>> of. Things like roads, military defense, social security,<br>> > research,<br>> > > >> > >>> education, health care, the national debt, disaster relief,<br>> > > >> > >>> veteran's<br>> > > >> > >>> benefits, and the occasional crackhead and/or welfare queen that<br>> > > >> > >>> gets away<br>> > > >> > >>> with gaming the system.<br>> > > >> > >>><br>> > > >> > >>><br>> > > >> > >> You need to distinguish between tax-based necessities and<br>> > tax-based<br>> > > >> > >> socialism. Crackheads and welfare queens are not in the same<br>> > category<br>> > > >> > >> as roads, defense, vet's benefits, etc.<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >>> The "minority" has been getting away with murder for longer than<br>> > you<br>> > > >> > >>> or I<br>> > > >> > >>> have been around. They've been sipping mai-tais in Hawaii and<br>> > > >> > >>> complaining<br>> > > >> > >>> that their new Beemer has a scratch on the fender. They don't<br>> > arouse<br>> > > >> > >>> all<br>> > > >> > >>> that much pity from me. They can survive a tax hike far more<br>> > easily<br>> > > >> > >>> than<br>> > > >> > >>> the other 95% of us can.<br>> > > >> > >>><br>> > > >> > >>><br>> > > >> > >> Strawman notwithstanding, if they earned it they deserve it.<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> And the moment you arbitrarily draw the line at Hawaiian vacations<br>> > > >> > >> and<br>> > > >> > >> Beemers, you've invited the Obamas of the world (socialists) to<br>> > move<br>> > > >> > >> that line anywhere they want.<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> Do you know where they want to move it?<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> Last I heard Obama floated $250,000 and you and I both know that's<br>> > > >> > >> not<br>> > > >> > >> low enough to finance his vision.<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> It doesn't matter, though, because you've already given him<br>> > > >> > >> permission<br>> > > >> > >> to take other people's money so he can redistribute it to the<br>> > > >> > >> crackheads.<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> So he'll nudge it down to $200,000. 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