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<br>Yep, we now have the social safety net afforded by taxes being equated not only with theft and innate anti-Godliness, but now sociopathy . . . by church folks. Christians, even.<br><br>Strange days, indeed.<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:11:36 -0800<br>> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama cancels interview with a Free (not in the tank) Press<br>> <br>> Dave:<br>> <br>> I'll make this simple because I do not want to tax your few remaining<br>> brains cells too much<br>> <br>> You have to establish the boundaries of government, which includes<br>> their authority to tax, before you declare a free for all.<br>> <br>> Paul feels perfectly comfortable when the government takes from others<br>> who are wealthier than he is but I have sneaking suspicion that his<br>> comfort zone would soon be violated if the state came knocking on his<br>> door.<br>> <br>> As for you, you probably feel morally superior to me because of the<br>> overwhelming generosity you display with other people's money. As for<br>> sociopaths, maybe you should consider your lack of compunction when it<br>> comes to stealing from others.<br>> <br>> I would empathize with you but I'm afraid that's a moral trait I desire.<br>> <br>> <br>> On 10/27/08, Dave <tiedye@turbonet.com> wrote:<br>> > It is entirely obvious that no clue is totally devoid of empathy.<br>> > Therefore, of course, a sociopath.<br>> ><br>> > Dave<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Paul Rumelhart wrote:<br>> > > Are you really trying to equate a non-linear tax model as "socialism"?<br>> > > That's a stretch, in my opinion. Everyone is still paying taxes, except<br>> > > for the very poorest of us. The percentages just change.<br>> > ><br>> > > I also don't like the implication that the rich "earned it and deserve<br>> > > it". That would imply that the poor and the middle class did not earn<br>> > > it or deserve it. That, fundamentally, is why I can't stand the<br>> > > position you are taking. You appear to think that just because you've<br>> > > been lucky (yes, lucky) enough to make good money, you deserve it more<br>> > > than the next guy. There are just as many hard-working poor and middle<br>> > > class people as there are hard-working privileged people, if not more.<br>> > ><br>> > > As for the fear that Obama will raise taxes for everyone eventually,<br>> > > well, someone has to take responsibility and pay back the enormous debt<br>> > > that the current administration has heaped on us, don' t you think?<br>> > > Especially if we intend to continue the nationalizing of banks that the<br>> > > current administration has started.<br>> > ><br>> > > Paul<br>> > ><br>> > > No Weatherman wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > >>> Actually, it's called paying a portion of what you make to a central pool<br>> > >>> which will be used to take care of things no one person wants to take care<br>> > >>> of. Things like roads, military defense, social security, research,<br>> > >>> education, health care, the national debt, disaster relief, veteran's<br>> > >>> benefits, and the occasional crackhead and/or welfare queen that gets away<br>> > >>> with gaming the system.<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >> You need to distinguish between tax-based necessities and tax-based<br>> > >> socialism. Crackheads and welfare queens are not in the same category<br>> > >> as roads, defense, vet's benefits, etc.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >>> The "minority" has been getting away with murder for longer than you or I<br>> > >>> have been around. They've been sipping mai-tais in Hawaii and complaining<br>> > >>> that their new Beemer has a scratch on the fender. They don't arouse all<br>> > >>> that much pity from me. They can survive a tax hike far more easily than<br>> > >>> the other 95% of us can.<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >> Strawman notwithstanding, if they earned it they deserve it.<br>> > >><br>> > >> And the moment you arbitrarily draw the line at Hawaiian vacations and<br>> > >> Beemers, you've invited the Obamas of the world (socialists) to move<br>> > >> that line anywhere they want.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Do you know where they want to move it?<br>> > >><br>> > >> Last I heard Obama floated $250,000 and you and I both know that's not<br>> > >> low enough to finance his vision.<br>> > >><br>> > >> It doesn't matter, though, because you've already given him permission<br>> > >> to take other people's money so he can redistribute it to the<br>> > >> crackheads.<br>> > >><br>> > >> So he'll nudge it down to $200,000. Then $150,000. Then $100,000. And<br>> > >> before you know it, somewhere in there he found our bracket. He'll<br>> > >> find Ms. Lund's bracket. He'll find Ms. Mix's bracket. He'll find Mr.<br>> > >> London's bracket. He'll find Mr. Hansen's rubber doll's bracket.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Once you give him permission to redistribute wealth, it won't stop at $250,000.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Obama doesn't want "rich" people's money. He wants everyone's money.<br>> > >> He's a Farraking Communist.<br>> > >><br>> > >> =======================================================<br>> > >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> > >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > >> =======================================================<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > =======================================================<br>> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > =======================================================<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:<br>> > McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> ><br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? 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