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Is it at all possible for you to imagine, if only for a second, that everything in the world doesn't somehow refer back to you?<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:43:43 -0400<br>> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama cancels interview with a Free (not in the tank) Press<br>> <br>> Ms. Mix:<br>> <br>> As usual, you're lying.<br>> <br>> And, as usual, you have extenuating circumstances.<br>> <br>> Can you please show me where I argued "we now have the social safety<br>> net afforded by taxes being equated not only with theft and innate<br>> anti-Godliness, but now sociopathy"?<br>> <br>> Or did you get another freebase rush of self-righteousness by<br>> misrepresenting me to make yourself look holy?<br>> <br>> <br>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:25 PM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Yep, we now have the social safety net afforded by taxes being equated not<br>> > only with theft and innate anti-Godliness, but now sociopathy . . . by<br>> > church folks. Christians, even.<br>> ><br>> > Strange days, indeed.<br>> ><br>> > Keely<br>> > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:11:36 -0800<br>> >> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<br>> >> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama cancels interview with a Free (not in the<br>> >> tank) Press<br>> >><br>> >> Dave:<br>> >><br>> >> I'll make this simple because I do not want to tax your few remaining<br>> >> brains cells too much<br>> >><br>> >> You have to establish the boundaries of government, which includes<br>> >> their authority to tax, before you declare a free for all.<br>> >><br>> >> Paul feels perfectly comfortable when the government takes from others<br>> >> who are wealthier than he is but I have sneaking suspicion that his<br>> >> comfort zone would soon be violated if the state came knocking on his<br>> >> door.<br>> >><br>> >> As for you, you probably feel morally superior to me because of the<br>> >> overwhelming generosity you display with other people's money. As for<br>> >> sociopaths, maybe you should consider your lack of compunction when it<br>> >> comes to stealing from others.<br>> >><br>> >> I would empathize with you but I'm afraid that's a moral trait I desire.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 10/27/08, Dave <tiedye@turbonet.com> wrote:<br>> >> > It is entirely obvious that no clue is totally devoid of empathy.<br>> >> > Therefore, of course, a sociopath.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Dave<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > Paul Rumelhart wrote:<br>> >> > > Are you really trying to equate a non-linear tax model as "socialism"?<br>> >> > > That's a stretch, in my opinion. Everyone is still paying taxes,<br>> >> > > except<br>> >> > > for the very poorest of us. The percentages just change.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > I also don't like the implication that the rich "earned it and deserve<br>> >> > > it". That would imply that the poor and the middle class did not earn<br>> >> > > it or deserve it. That, fundamentally, is why I can't stand the<br>> >> > > position you are taking. You appear to think that just because you've<br>> >> > > been lucky (yes, lucky) enough to make good money, you deserve it more<br>> >> > > than the next guy. There are just as many hard-working poor and middle<br>> >> > > class people as there are hard-working privileged people, if not more.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > As for the fear that Obama will raise taxes for everyone eventually,<br>> >> > > well, someone has to take responsibility and pay back the enormous<br>> >> > > debt<br>> >> > > that the current administration has heaped on us, don' t you think?<br>> >> > > Especially if we intend to continue the nationalizing of banks that<br>> >> > > the<br>> >> > > current administration has started.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > Paul<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > No Weatherman wrote:<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > >>> Actually, it's called paying a portion of what you make to a central<br>> >> > >>> pool<br>> >> > >>> which will be used to take care of things no one person wants to<br>> >> > >>> take care<br>> >> > >>> of. Things like roads, military defense, social security, research,<br>> >> > >>> education, health care, the national debt, disaster relief,<br>> >> > >>> veteran's<br>> >> > >>> benefits, and the occasional crackhead and/or welfare queen that<br>> >> > >>> gets away<br>> >> > >>> with gaming the system.<br>> >> > >>><br>> >> > >>><br>> >> > >> You need to distinguish between tax-based necessities and tax-based<br>> >> > >> socialism. Crackheads and welfare queens are not in the same category<br>> >> > >> as roads, defense, vet's benefits, etc.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >>> The "minority" has been getting away with murder for longer than you<br>> >> > >>> or I<br>> >> > >>> have been around. They've been sipping mai-tais in Hawaii and<br>> >> > >>> complaining<br>> >> > >>> that their new Beemer has a scratch on the fender. They don't arouse<br>> >> > >>> all<br>> >> > >>> that much pity from me. They can survive a tax hike far more easily<br>> >> > >>> than<br>> >> > >>> the other 95% of us can.<br>> >> > >>><br>> >> > >>><br>> >> > >> Strawman notwithstanding, if they earned it they deserve it.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> And the moment you arbitrarily draw the line at Hawaiian vacations<br>> >> > >> and<br>> >> > >> Beemers, you've invited the Obamas of the world (socialists) to move<br>> >> > >> that line anywhere they want.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> Do you know where they want to move it?<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> Last I heard Obama floated $250,000 and you and I both know that's<br>> >> > >> not<br>> >> > >> low enough to finance his vision.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> It doesn't matter, though, because you've already given him<br>> >> > >> permission<br>> >> > >> to take other people's money so he can redistribute it to the<br>> >> > >> crackheads.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> So he'll nudge it down to $200,000. Then $150,000. Then $100,000. And<br>> >> > >> before you know it, somewhere in there he found our bracket. He'll<br>> >> > >> find Ms. Lund's bracket. He'll find Ms. Mix's bracket. He'll find Mr.<br>> >> > >> London's bracket. He'll find Mr. Hansen's rubber doll's bracket.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> Once you give him permission to redistribute wealth, it won't stop at<br>> >> > >> $250,000.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> Obama doesn't want "rich" people's money. He wants everyone's money.<br>> >> > >> He's a Farraking Communist.<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >> =======================================================<br>> >> > >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> > >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> > >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> > >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> > >> =======================================================<br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >><br>> >> > >><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > =======================================================<br>> >> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> > > =======================================================<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > --<br>> >> > Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:<br>> >> > McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > =======================================================<br>> >> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> > =======================================================<br>> >> ><br>> >><br>> >> =======================================================<br>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> =======================================================<br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? 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