NW --<div><br></div><div>Let me get this straight. You're a Hillary Clinton voter that's against abortion, social programs, progressive taxation, and you're for war on Iran and against an Iraq pullout? <br><br>
</div><div>-- ACS</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:06 AM, No Weatherman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:no.weatherman@gmail.com">no.weatherman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Paul:<br>
<br>
We need to make distinctions between "the war" and the "tanking<br>
economy" and the "crackheads and welfare queens."<br>
<br>
Obama wants to end the war, grease his homeboys on Wall Street, and<br>
reward the crackheads and welfare queens in ACORN, and he wants the<br>
middle class to pay for it.<br>
<br>
It's immoral, however, to argue that the "rich" have to pay for these<br>
things because they "stand to lose more without facing hunger or<br>
eviction or having their power turned off."<br>
<br>
Where do you get off playing with other people's money? Would you<br>
appreciate it if I had the power to take money from you because I<br>
think you can afford the hit?<br>
<br>
It's called theft.<br>
<br>
If you believe society has a moral obligation to help others out, then<br>
you can go to work in a soup kitchen after you give all your money to<br>
the Salvation Army.<br>
<br>
And don't complain because you can afford it. I know this because I deemed it.<br>
<br>
How does it feel now?<br>
<br>
Once answer this question, we can begin discussing the merits and<br>
necessities of various social programs. But if we let the majority<br>
decide they want to loot the minority's wealth, we'll be forced to<br>
ask, "Who is John Galt?"<br>
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> No Weatherman wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Chas:<br>
>><br>
>> Ummmm.<br>
>><br>
>> It's always easier to play poker with someone else's chips.<br>
>><br>
>> Someday, if you're ever rakin in the dough, you'll resent the<br>
>> government confiscating your hard earned money to finance crackheads<br>
>> and welfare queens.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Is it somehow better for the middle class to finance the "crackheads and<br>
> welfare queens"? That's what it comes down to. Someone has to pay for this<br>
> war and the after effects of a tanking economy. Who does it make more sense<br>
> to tax more? The richest of the bunch who can stand to lose more without<br>
> facing hunger or eviction or having their power turned off, or the majority<br>
> of people that are just trying to make it from paycheck to paycheck?<br>
><br>
> I think the system is better when it tries to help people who are down on<br>
> their luck, despite the fact that some people abuse the system. Not<br>
> everyone believes that having wealth means you're any better of a person<br>
> than not having it. You're just luckier. When fate deals you a rotten<br>
> hand, even temporarily, it's in society's best interests to help you through<br>
> it.<br>
><br>
> Of course, no one knows even remotely how much you make and which financial<br>
> camp you fall in, because no one knows who you are.<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> On 10/25/08, Chasuk <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 17:07, No Weatherman <<a href="mailto:no.weatherman@gmail.com">no.weatherman@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> > West wondered about Sen. Barack Obama's comment, to Joe the Plumber,<br>
>>> > about spreading the wealth. She quoted Karl Marx and asked how Obama<br>
>>> > isn't being a Marxist with the "spreading the wealth" comment.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> We already spread the wealth. It's called taxes. Obama is merely<br>
>>> proposing spreading the wealth more equitably.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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