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That's a clever, but heartless, reply. <br><br>To the woman raped, the rapist's child within her is not a witness so much as a constant reminder of the horror of her attack. To suggest that she bear and birth the "witness" to the crime against her -- a crime no man will ever fully understand -- is heartless rhetoric, designed to look like justice without any of the compassion true justice involves. Unless No W is truly inclined to DNA-test the fetus in the prosecution of a rape case, and I suspect we know he's not, what he's suggesting by his clever words here is nothing more than a call for someone to endure a horror a person of his gender perpetrated, but, like No W, will never experience.<br><br>That's not justice. That's just wordplay.<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br>> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:48:48 -0800<br>> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Heightens Rhetoric on Abortion<br>> <br>> So if I understand you correctly, Mr. Hansen, you would rather kill<br>> the witness to a crime than protect it.<br>> <br>> Is this correct?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br>> > Sarah Palin, who would make it illegal for your raped 13 year old daughter<br>> > to terminate her pregnancy, is calling out Obama for his "extreme views on<br>> > abortion".<br>> ><br>> > >From CNN at:<br>> ><br>> > http://tinyurl.com/3jj3h8<br>> ><br>> > -----------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Palin Heightens Rhetoric on Abortion<br>> > Story Highlights<br>> > Sarah Palin, Barack Obama both campaign Saturday in Pennsylvania<br>> ><br>> > Palin hammers Obama on the abortion issue in Johnstown<br>> ><br>> > Obama acknowledges McCain's efforts to "tone down the rhetoric"<br>> ><br>> > JOHNSTOWN, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin charged into the<br>> > culture wars Saturday in Pennsylvania, painting Sen. Barack Obama as a<br>> > radical on abortion rights.<br>> ><br>> > The stop comes amid news that Palin violated Alaska ethics law by trying<br>> > to get her former brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state<br>> > investigator's report for the bipartisan Legislative Council concluded<br>> > Friday.<br>> ><br>> > Ethics woes aside, Palin focused her attention on abortion -- an issue<br>> > that rallies the conservative base but some say alienates independent and<br>> > women voters.<br>> ><br>> > "In times like these with wars and financial crisis, I know that it may be<br>> > easy to forget even as deep and abiding a concern as the right to life,<br>> > and it seems that our opponent kind of hopes you will forget that," Palin<br>> > told a crowd in Johnstown. "He hopes that you won't notice how radical,<br>> > absolutely radical his idea is on this, and his record is, until it's too<br>> > late."<br>> ><br>> > Palin has mostly avoided raising her opposition to abortion rights on the<br>> > campaign trail since she was tapped as Sen. John McCain's running mate, a<br>> > fact she readily acknowledged in her remarks. Watch more of Palin's views<br>> > on abortion »<br>> ><br>> > But Palin said Obama's record on the matter is too extreme to be ignored,<br>> > and she spent 10 minutes of her 30-minute speech discussing abortion.<br>> ><br>> > "A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for activist courts that will continue<br>> > to smother the open and democratic debate that we deserve and that we need<br>> > on this issue of life," she said. "Obama is a politician who has long<br>> > since left behind even the middle ground on the issue of life."<br>> ><br>> > Obama opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's<br>> > decision in Roe v. Wade and disagreed with Supreme Court ruling to uphold<br>> > the "Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act." He did not cast a vote on<br>> > Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions amendment in 2007.<br>> ><br>> > Palin opposes abortion in all cases, including rape and incest, except<br>> > when a mother's life is in danger, and said she believes Roe v. Wade<br>> > should be overturned and the decision given to the states.<br>> ><br>> > McCain voted for the Prohibit Partial Birth Abortion bill in 2003<br>> > and "yes" for Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions<br>> > amendment in 2007. He believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must<br>> > be overturned, and also supports the Supreme Court ruling upholding the<br>> > Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.<br>> ><br>> > Palin also talked about a remark Obama made about sex education while<br>> > campaigning in Johnstown in March, when he told a voter he didn't want his<br>> > daughters "punished with a baby" or "punished with an STD" if they were<br>> > not educated about sex and made a mistake.<br>> ><br>> > "So I listened when our opponent defended his unconditional support for<br>> > unlimited abortions and he said he said that a woman shouldn't have to<br>> > be 'Punished with a baby,' " Palin said as the audience jeered at<br>> > Obama. "Ladies and gentlemen, he said that right here in<br>> > Johnstown. 'Punished with a baby.' It's about time we called him on it."<br>> ><br>> > Obama is also in Pennsylvania Saturday -- campaigning in the heavily<br>> > Democratic city of Philadelphia.<br>> ><br>> > During his four-stop swing around the city, Obama acknowledged McCain's<br>> > efforts to "tone down the rhetoric" on the campaign trail.<br>> ><br>> > "I appreciated his reminder that we can disagree while still being<br>> > respectful of each other. I've said it before, and I'll say it again --<br>> > Sen. McCain has served this country with honor, and he deserves our thanks<br>> > for that," Obama told an early morning crowd assembled in the northern<br>> > part of the city. Watch more of Obama's comments »<br>> ><br>> > Ever since last weekend, when Palin first accused Obama of "palling around<br>> > with a terrorist," referring to 1960s radical William Ayers, rowdy crowds<br>> > have called Obama a liar, terrorist and worse.<br>> ><br>> > At an event Friday in Lakeville, Minnesota, McCain referred to Obama as<br>> > a "decent person" and praised him as a "family man" after two voters<br>> > expressed fear over Obama being elected. Watch McCain tell voters not to<br>> > be afraid of Obama »<br>> ><br>> > But the Arizona senator was met by a sea of boos when asking the crowd to<br>> > be more respectful toward Obama.<br>> ><br>> > When the crowd began to boo, McCain told them "No, no. I want everyone to<br>> > be respectful."<br>> ><br>> > Obama later dispensed with polite talk and pivoted to his main campaign<br>> > trail argument that McCain is out of touch on the economy.<br>> ><br>> > "Sen. McCain's campaign manager actually said that Sen. McCain wasn't<br>> > talking about the market because there's just not much a candidate for<br>> > president can say -- and they aren't sure what he'd say each day even if<br>> > he did talk about it," Obama said.<br>> ><br>> > "But here's the thing Philadelphia. They can run misleading ads, and<br>> > pursue the politics of anything goes, they can try to change the subject.<br>> > They can do that what they want to do because the American people<br>> > understand what's going on -- but it's not going to work. Not this time."<br>> ><br>> > -----------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> ><br>> > Tom Hansen<br>> > Moscow, Idaho<br>> ><br>> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. 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