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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Tom Hansen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:30
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Kai Eiselein, Editor; Andreas Schou; No
Weatherman<BR><B>Cc:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>"We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are
instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed, — <FONT face="" color=#000000>That whenever any Form of Government
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or
to abolish it, and to institute new Government</FONT><STRONG>,</STRONG> laying
its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as
to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness.'<BR> <BR>- The Declaration of
Independence<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Seeya round town,
Moscow.<BR> <BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR> <BR><PRE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face="" color=#000000>"It doesn't require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires in people's minds."</FONT></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face="" color=#000000>- Samuel Johnson [1709-84]</FONT></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face="" color=#000000><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><BR><BR> </PRE><PRE><HR id=EC_stopSpelling></PRE><PRE>From: editor@lataheagle.com<BR>To: idahotom@hotmail.com; ophite@gmail.com; no.weatherman@gmail.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma<BR>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:10:01 -0700<BR><BR></PRE>
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<DIV>Secession<FONT face="Times New Roman"> is the highest form of
dissent.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:idahotom@hotmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:idahotom@hotmail.com">Tom Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ophite@gmail.com
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> ; <A
title=no.weatherman@gmail.com href="mailto:no.weatherman@gmail.com">No
Weatherman</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."<BR> <BR>-
Thomas Jefferson<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Seeya round town,
Moscow.<BR> <BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:25:28 -0700<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</A><BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:no.weatherman@gmail.com">no.weatherman@gmail.com</A><BR>> CC:
<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Obama Dilemma<BR>> <BR>> On Tue, Oct 7,
2008 at 7:34 AM, No Weatherman <<A
href="mailto:no.weatherman@gmail.com">no.weatherman@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> > ACS,<BR>> ><BR>> > You're the one who cannot
(or will not) distinguish between domestic<BR>> > terrorism and
vandalism:<BR>> <BR>> This is ironic, coming from someone who cannot (or
will not)<BR>> distinguish between treason and patriotism.<BR>> <BR>>
>
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-September/056263.html<BR>>
<BR>> "Terrorist" describes their goals: they were attempting to
change<BR>> policies through use of public fear. "Vandalism" describes
their<BR>> methods: they did property damage, and didn't kill anyone other
than<BR>> -- incompetently -- themselves. Ex post facto, they claimed that
they<BR>> were going to step up and start killing people, but they
didn't<BR>> actually do that; that may be conspiracy commit murder.
Incidentally,<BR>> that's also what G. Gordon Liddy did with regard to Jack
Anderson.<BR>> <BR>> Incidentally, I don't see that you've made any
further defense of your<BR>> assertion that Liddy was a great
patriot.<BR>> <BR>> > Therefore, it's slightly ironic that you would
try to impeach law<BR>> > professor Steve Diamond based upon your
understanding of grantee<BR>> > agencies.<BR>> <BR>> As a former
nonprofit executive, I'm quite aware of what the fiduciary<BR>> duties of
such an executive are. They do not involve the selection of<BR>> a
nonprofit board: the board must be selected independently of the<BR>>
executive. Incidentally, the CAC did this the opposite way most<BR>>
nonprofits do it: usually, the president forms a board, then hires an<BR>>
executive. I suspect it was done this way because Ayers, as a<BR>>
potential grantee, *could not* be president of the board.<BR>> <BR>>
> Interestingly, I noticed that you ignored this salient point from
Diamond:<BR>> ><BR>> > "In social science and law, written
contemporaneous records are<BR>> > considered a more credible source
than ex post recollections by only a<BR>> > small number of the
individuals involved. I thought the same standards<BR>> > applied in
journalism as well."<BR>> <BR>> Incidentally, Diamond's "evidence" takes
this form: "Bill Ayers had<BR>> an executive role at CAC; that executive
role conferred a fiduciary<BR>> duty on him; that fiduciary duty must have
given him a primary role in<BR>> selecting the board of directors; Ayers
must have selected Obama,<BR>> QED."<BR>> <BR>> This is convincing to
anyone without a whit of knowledge regarding<BR>> nonprofit boards. The
board of directors cannot be selected by someone<BR>> with a financial
stake in the nonprofit; doing so creates an inherent<BR>> conflict of
interest. The operative section of the tax code is here:<BR>> <BR>> "A
section 501(c)(3) organization must not be organized or operated<BR>> for
the benefit of private interests, such as the creator or the<BR>> creator's
family, shareholders of the organization, other designated<BR>>
individuals, or persons controlled directly or indirectly by such<BR>>
private interests. No part of the net earnings of a section 501(c)(3)<BR>>
organization may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or<BR>>
individual. A private shareholder or individual is a person having a<BR>>
personal and private interest in the activities of the organization."<BR>>
<BR>> -- ACS<BR>> <BR>>
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