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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>G-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Your question to me:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Do you truly think that people who believe that life
begins at conception are out of their minds or was the remark simply
"venomous."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>My response to you:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>People who believe that a fetus is a full person with all
rights ("life begins at conception") are misguided and misinformed, but in most
cases (but certainly not all) not out of their minds. Your remark
(accusing Planned Parenthood of killing children) was venomous.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=london@moscow.com
href="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill London</A> ; <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=jeffh@moscow.com href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">Jeff Harkins</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy
Helps Planned ParenthoodFundraising</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Mr. London,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Should I conclude from your sentence " A first trimester
fetus is not a child." that a baby in the second trimester is? Planned
Parenthood routinely performs abortions in the sixth month of pregnancy making
the phrase you took such exception to completely correct even by
your own standards. Not "inaccurate." Not "vicious slander." Please
see:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><A
href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11222-worlds-most-premature-baby-set-to-leave-hospital.html">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11222-worlds-most-premature-baby-set-to-leave-hospital.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Don't even begin to try and tell me a fetus at 6 months
isn't a child.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Unfortunately, my use of the admittedly inflammatory
phrase "killing of children" has caused my critics to overlook the point.
For this I am at fault and I'll try again. To take Ms. Palin's deeply
held moral position in favor of life and step all over it by making donations
to an organization that regularly ends it in her name is hardly ethical or
laudatory behavior. Would it be funny or productive to sign James Brady up for
NRA memberships? If you feel you must support abortion by
contributing to Planned Parenthood, that's one thing. (an unfortunate thing,
in my opinion) Spitting in a woman's face for an honestly held moral
position is another. As was said previously, tasteless, tawdry, and
lacking in ethics.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>A question for you, if I may? Reasonable people can and
do disagree on when life begins. In what way was my "ranting"
"irrational?" Do you truly think that people who believe that life begins at
conception are out of their minds or was the remark simply
"venomous."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=london@moscow.com href="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill London</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ;
<A title=jeffh@moscow.com href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">Jeff Harkins</A> ;
<A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Palin
Candidacy Helps Planned ParenthoodFundraising</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>G. Crabtree:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have enjoyed your straightforward conservative
commentary on V2020. You have provided a realistic and honest
counterpoint.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>However, I have noticed recently that you have also
adopted many of the venomous and irrational rantings too common with the
right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>A great example is your use of the phrase "killing of
children" in a description of Planned Parenthood. Even you must
realize that is not only inaccurate but vicious slander.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Planned Parenthood does offer abortion as an option in
pregnancy counseling, but really they focus on family planning and
testing for sexually transmitted diseases (as in prevention). A first
trimester fetus is not a child. And a woman's decision in the face or
rape, incest, or just poverty, should not be your concern. A true
conservative would not want to give the government that kind of
power.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>BL</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=jeffh@moscow.com href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">Jeff Harkins</A> ;
<A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom
Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008
1:05 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Palin
Candidacy Helps Planned ParenthoodFundraising</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I don't know what Jeff's thoughts on this might be
but, objectively, if sending money to support the killing of children
to express your displeasure with a vice presidential candidate isn't
unethical you probably never had much to begin with.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jeffh@moscow.com
href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">Jeff Harkins</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008
12:00 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Palin
Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood Fundraising</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>"Tasteless" and "tawdry" are your opinions and are thus
subjective. Tell me -- objectively -- why this is
unethical.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><A
href="http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/">http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/</A><BR><BR><BR>>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:36:03 -0700<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</A><BR>> CC: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood
Fundraising<BR>> <BR>> A tasteless and unethical action.<BR>>
<BR>> Typical taudry behavior from the left.<BR>> <BR>> At
05:57 AM 10/1/2008, you wrote:<BR>>
>--===============0315101106==<BR>> > >From today's (October
1, 2008) Spokesman Review -<BR>> ><BR>>
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><BR>> >Palin candidacy helps Planned Parenthood
fundraising<BR>> >Donations made in her name surpass
$800,000<BR>> ><BR>> >WASHINGTON ­ Planned Parenthood
loves Sarah Palin.<BR>> ><BR>> >Not for her stance on
abortion ­ she's strongly opposed ­ but because her<BR>>
>presence on the Republican ticket is helping the group raise
money.<BR>> ><BR>> >An e-mail urging people to donate to
Planned Parenthood Federation of<BR>> >America "in honor of Sarah
Palin" has generated more than 31,000 donations<BR>> >totaling
$802,678 as of Saturday, the group said.<BR>> ><BR>> >The
e-mail, which has been promoted on some liberal blogs for weeks,
asks<BR>> >people who are unhappy with John McCain's running mate
to donate to<BR>> >Planned Parenthood. Donors are asked to list
the address of the McCain<BR>> >campaign headquarters or the
Alaska governor's office, which receive a<BR>> >card recognizing
any donation made in Palin's name.<BR>> ><BR>> >Calls to the
McCain-Palin campaign went unreturned.<BR>> ><BR>> >A
spokesman from Planned Parenthood said the group wasn't the source
of<BR>> >the original e-mail.<BR>> ><BR>> >The
spokesman forwarded an entry from the Huffington Post blog in
which<BR>> >Los Angeles Times columnist and radio host Patt
Morrison took credit for<BR>> >the idea.<BR>> ><BR>>
>Morrison said she started a campaign in 2001 to protest newly
elected<BR>> >President Bush's opposition to abortion and raised
more than $1 million in<BR>> >his name. In her recent blog entry,
Morrison said she was delighted that<BR>> >her idea had been
revived for Palin, who opposes abortion even in cases of<BR>>
>rape and incest.<BR>> ><BR>> >Jim Roderick, president
and CEO of Planned Parenthood of North Texas, said<BR>> >the spike
in donations "speaks to the tenor of some people's concern about<BR>>
>our issues," which include not just abortion but emergency
contraception,<BR>> >family planning and testing for sexually
transmitted diseases.<BR>> ><BR>> >Such issues are
especially important in Texas, Roderick said, because the<BR>>
>state has the highest rate of first-time and second-time teen
pregnancies<BR>> >in the U.S.<BR>> ><BR>>
>--------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>
><BR>> >Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> ><BR>> >Tom
Hansen<BR>> >Moscow, Idaho<BR>> ><BR>> >"We're a town
of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college<BR>>
>students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."<BR>> ><BR>> >- Dale Courtney (March 28,
2007)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
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