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Thank you so much for referencing the NRAPVF cite.<br><br>
Many Idahoans will be interested to see their current headline
banner:<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font face="Verdana" size=4><b>
<a href="http://www.nrapvf.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=11588&T=1">Obama
Campaign Threatens Legal Action to Take Down NRA Ads</a> <br>
</b></font><br>
<font face="Verdana">Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent
threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop
airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle
Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF). The kicker? NRA-PVF's
Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running. <br>
</font><br>
<font face="Verdana">“Barack Obama and his campaign are terrified of the
truth,” declared Chris W. Cox, Chairman of NRA-PVF. “Sen. Obama's
statements and support for restricting access to firearms, raising taxes
on guns and ammunition and voting against the use of firearms for
self-defense in the home are a matter of public record. NRA-PVF will make
sure that everyone knows of Obama's abysmal record on guns and hunting.”
</font></blockquote><br>
It is rather clear that you don't understand the problem. Can't
really help you with that - perhaps read all the posts again.<br><br>
But I didn't see any problem with the NRA fundraising efforts - straight
forward stuff - give your name and contact information and give your
money. Typical 527 structure. You get your name noted as a
donor. I did not see any promo encouraging me to donate in honor of
someone else - especially someone who dislikes guns. If they did
encourage that I would have the same concerns as I have over the Palin
issue.<br><br>
As to trying to tell you what charities to support - where do you get
that?<br><br>
I don't give one toot who you give your money too (although you should
seriously consider the NRA);-)) - I just ask that you give it without
"honoring" someone who you know is opposed to the objectives of
your charity.<br><br>
Geez Louise - take a breather Saundra - you'll hurt yourself.<br><br>
At 08:59 PM 10/2/2008, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Jeff Harkins wrote:<br>
"To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor
Sarah Palin<br>
is a false and malicious statement. The intent is to malign the
Vice<br>
Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin."<br><br>
Harkins' shrill nonsense was aptly answered by Joe Campbell:<br>
"Lastly, I don't have a problem with the fundraising campaign nor
with the<br>
fact that donators are asked to "list the address of the McCain
campaign<br>
headquarters or the Alaska governor's office." For crying out loud
the woman<br>
is running for VP of the US. Citizens have the right to let her and
McCain<br>
know how they fell about the topic."<br><br>
Exactly so.<br><br>
Especially curious to me is why people like Harkins & Crabtree are so
rabid<br>
in their responses to those of us who are discussing Palin's
anti-choice<br>
rhetoric when she bills herself as "unapologetically
pro-life"? An<br>
especially reactionary anti-choice stance, BTW, that includes opposition
to<br>
emergency contraceptives for women, including rape and incest
survivors.<br><br>
Once possible conclusion for their reactions to be so completely over
the<br>
top could be that they are scared silly by those of us who are able to
think<br>
past Palin's carefully scripted -- indeed, monotonous -- talking
points.<br>
They hoped we'd be foolish enough to be blinded by personality rather
than<br>
focusing on the issues, and they remain ticked that tactic didn't
work :-) <br><br>
OTOH, maybe Harkins is just terribly confused. Perhaps he's
confused the<br>
NRA's official campaign to malign Vice Presidential Candidate
Senator<br>
Barack Obama with the efforts of over 31,000 individual US citizens'
efforts<br>
to put their money where their mouths are with respect to privacy,<br>
reproductive rights, and family planning. I don't see how any
rational<br>
person could make such a mistake, but who knows? I invite readers
to check<br>
out this site "Paid for by the NRA Political Victory Fund (www
.NRAPVF.org)<br>
Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee" and decide
for<br>
yourselves if Harkins' undies-twisted outrage isn't perhaps more
applicable<br>
to this:<br>
<a href="http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3ed0bbc-26c7-462d-af87-56ed" eudora="autourl">
http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3ed0bbc-26c7-462d-af87-56ed</a>
<br>
8857ac4c&SiteGuid=c63367a2-996a-422c-9afd-0d6f49a0ca86<br>
OR<br>
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/NRA-Anti-Obama" eudora="autourl">
http://tinyurl.com/NRA-Anti-Obama</a><br><br>
Of course, I'll not be holding my breath for either of them to condemn
the<br>
NRA's official fundraising tactics . . . <br><br>
But, I will be thanking God that it's not up to the Harkins' of the world
to<br>
tell me what charities are worthy of my support.<br><br>
<br>
Saundra Lund<br>
Moscow, ID<br><br>
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
do<br>
nothing.<br>
~ Edmund Burke<br><br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" eudora="autourl">
mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Jeff Harkins<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:17 AM<br>
To: Chasuk<br>
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood<br>
Fundraising<br><br>
Chasuk,<br><br>
I use an older dictionary - probably because I am older.<br><br>
Defame - to attack or injure the reputation or honor of by false and
<br>
malicious statements; malign, slander or libel.<br>
[Webster's New World, 3rd College Edition, 1988]<br><br>
To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah
<br>
Palin is a false and malicious statement. The intent is to malign
<br>
the Vice Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin.<br><br>
It is interesting that we agree on the vendetta against Christ <br>
Church, e.g., counterproductive and hypocritical.<br><br>
At 08:45 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote:<br>
>On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 19:54, Jeff Harkins <jeffh@moscow.com>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> > An obvious attack on Gov. Palin's character and her
values. Read <br>
> carefully,<br>
> > you could spare a lot of energy.<br>
><br>
>I do read carefully, but I also know what "defame"
means, when it it<br>
>apparent that you don't.<br>
><br>
> > Tell you what - let's start a campaign, in<br>
> your name, to provide donations to Christ Church. Are
you in?<br>
><br>
>Certainly. I would be honored. I'm not a member of
the<br>
>I-hate-Doug-tribe. The beliefs and practices of Kirkers are no
more<br>
>alarming than the beliefs or practices of numerous Roman Catholics
or<br>
>Mormons in Moscow, so I consider the entire vendetta
counterproductive<br>
>and hypocritical.<br><br>
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