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Nick, <br><br>
I provided the link to the Law School Honor Code for two
reasons:<br><br>
1. So that Shoue would know what his obligations were, with respect to
law studies, so he would not make the same mistake again.<br><br>
2. It was a convenient local application of the standards of plagiarism
for those that are not familiar with.<br><br>
It is clear that you and Campbell need a refresher course on
plagiarism. It is very surprising to me that both of you are
failing to recognize that the person injured here was the author of the
source that Schoe failed to cite.<br><br>
Can I presume that the standards of plagiarism are lower for philosophy
writings. I am very surprised that an Ethics instructor would
not see the issue here.<br><br>
This event can be classified as "online plagiarism".
Wikipedia offers a comprehensive explanation:<br><br>
[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism" eudora="autourl">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism</a>]
<dl>
<dd><h3><b>Online plagiarism</b></h3>
<dd>Since it is very easy to steal content from the web by simply copying
and pasting, the problem of online plagiarism is
growing.<sup>
[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed">
<i>citation needed</a></i>]</sup> This phenomenon, also known as content
scraping, is affecting both established sites
<a href="#cite_note-2"><sup>[3]</a></sup> and blogs
<a href="#cite_note-3"><sup>[4]</a></sup>.
<dd>Free online tools are becoming available to help identify plagiarism
<a href="#cite_note-4"><sup>[5]</a></sup>, and there is a range of
approaches that attempt to limit online copying, such as disabling
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//wiki/Right-click#Common_mouse_operations">
right clicking</a> and placing warning banners regarding copyrights on
web pages. Instances of plagiarism that involve copyright violation may
be addressed by the rightful content owners sending a
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//wiki/DMCA">DMCA</a> removal notice
to the offending site-owner, or to the
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//wiki/ISP">ISP</a> that is hosting
the offending site.
<dd>It is important to reiterate that plagiarism is not the mere copying
of text, but the presentation of another's ideas as one's own, regardless
of the specific words or constructs used to express that idea. In
contrast, many so-called plagiarism detection services can only detect
blatant word-for-word copies of text.
</dl>The cite that Schoe indicated he obtained his info from has very
clear policies about use of the material obtained from the cite. One of
those is to provide a citation for the author of the material.<br><br>
I have provided all the links. Check it out or not - I don't really
care.<br><br>
At 08:43 AM 9/18/2008, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Jeff,<br><br>
Gandhi scholars routinely cite Gandhi from the primary source (e.g.,
Young India, September 10, 1921) without having gone to the primary
source and without citing a secondary source. Only when I was India
on sabbatical could I sit down with the Young India volumes and check the
citations.<br><br>
Andreas was not operating in an academic setting, and he is not under the
purview of the Law School Honor Code. If you actually brought this
before the Law School, they would think the same of you as we
do.<br><br>
Nick<br>
---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh@moscow.com> wrote: <br>
> Sorry Nick,<br>
> <br>
> Your little trick to bring my offlist reply to you back on to the
viz <br>
> was anticipated - and reveals a great deal about your character. I
<br>
> know, it was an oversight, right?<br>
> <br>
> If you can't find the time to review the material that has already
<br>
> been posted, I am not going to spoon feed it to you.<br>
> <br>
> All the issues are fully presented; all materials linked to my <br>
> position provided.<br>
> <br>
> All comments are available.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks, but I have provided full back up of my position.<br>
> <br>
> Oh - no more offlist correspondence with you.<br>
> <br>
> You apparently don't really understand plagiarism - here is how it
is <br>
> defined in the Law School Honor Code:<br>
> <br>
> >Plagiarism. No student shall claim as his or her own original
work <br>
> >the research, ideas or<br>
> >writing of another, or copy in whole or in part or in effect
from <br>
> >the work of another, without<br>
> >clearly identifying it as the work of another. Paraphrasing
without <br>
> >acknowledgement of<br>
> >authorship is a form of plagiarism. Paraphrasing is the close
<br>
> >restatement of another's idea or<br>
> >using approximately the language of the original. [Section IIB,
page 64]<br>
> <br>
> Thus, your use of secondary sources in your writings, which are
<br>
> by-products of primary sources, would require citations. Do
you <br>
> provide citations for your use of secondary sources?<br>
> <br>
> Mr. Shoue paraphased, but provided no citations whatsoever.<br>
> <br>
> I think we are done.<br>
> <br>
> Bye.<br>
> <br>
> At 12:02 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote:<br>
> >Hi Jeff,<br>
> ><br>
> >I'm bringing this back on the Vision because of the seriousness
of <br>
> >the charges you made against Andreas.<br>
> ><br>
> >You have ducked the question I posed to you: what is the
difference <br>
> >between what I did in my Gandhi research and what Andreas
did? I <br>
> >don't care to go through the details of what you debated.
That's <br>
> >simply not necessary. I just want you to do tell me, Andreas,
and <br>
> >others on this list in concise terms what the difference
is.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> >Let me clarify one important thing. You somehow have the
notion <br>
> >that reviewers of my Gandhi work checked it for plagiarism. No
such <br>
> >thing ever happened. As I stated in my first post, Gandhi
scholars <br>
> >quote the primary sources through secondary sources all the
time.<br>
> ><br>
> >This is a serious charge that you have leveled. You have
to back it <br>
> >up or apologize big time.<br>
> ><br>
> >Nick<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh@moscow.com> wrote:<br>
> > > I am going offlist again.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Schou is the only one who can know what he did and what
his intent<br>
> > > was. I can say that if he had submitted his original
post to me as<br>
> > > written (in an academic setting) I would have moved
forward with<br>
> > > charges of plagiarism.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Since you haven't had time to go through the full
dialogue, we<br>
> > > probably won't get anywhere by focusing on details.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > As I have pointed out numerous times, this is a problem he
created,<br>
> > > not me. Read the details, get back to me and we can
chat offlist.<br>
> > > Pay particular attention to the material prepared by
Alperin-Sheriff<br>
> > > and the Terms of Use of the McClatchy site (which he
admits he<br>
> > > used). He doesn't seem to appreciate how reckless
and careless his<br>
> > > actions were and how significant the consequences can be
(ie, Biden's<br>
> > > use of Kinnock's speech).<br>
> > ><br>
> > > All I have done is point out to him that he needs to
approach the Law<br>
> > > School Administration and deal with the matter with them.
He is<br>
> > > subject to the Law School Honor Code.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > What he chooses to do to resolve this is up to him.
I plan no action<br>
> > > on my part.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > As to a comparison with your work - no, I am not investing
time in<br>
> > > that comparison. I trust that the reviewers of your
work handle that.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > At 10:57 AM 9/17/2008, you wrote:<br>
> > > >Hi Jeff,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >This is response is no response. Would you care
to distinguish <br>
> > between what<br>
> > > >Andreas did and what I've done for 18 years in my
Gandhi research?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >Nick<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh@moscow.com> wrote:<br>
> > > > > At 10:27 AM 9/17/2008, you wrote:<br>
> > > > > >Greetings:<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > >"I've not followed the exchange between
Andreas and Jeff in complete<br>
> > > > > >detail ..."<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > That more or less covers my response.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > >I'm preparing for a keynote address that I
will give on Gandhi's<br>
> > > > > >birthday on Oct. 2 at San Diego State
University. When I first<br>
> > > > > >started doing my Gandhi research in the
early 1990s, it was very<br>
> > > > > >difficult to get the primary sources, even
through interlibrary<br>
> > > > > >loan. Until I went on sabbatical to
India, I relied on secondary<br>
> > > > > >sources, especially very fine anthologies of
passages arranged by<br>
> > > > > >subject and fully documented.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > >When I finally got to India, I was able to
sit down and check out<br>
> > > > > >references and read for context in Gandhi's
Collected Works (100<br>
> > > > > >volumes!) and the journals Young India and
Harijan. Very few Gandhi<br>
> > > > > >scholars read every page of these huge
volumes. That is why we have<br>
> > > > > >bibliographers.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > >Gandhi kept meticulous records of everything
that happened in his<br>
> > > > > >ashrams, and most of that does not make for
very edifying<br>
> > > > > >reading. The Collected Works have a
very good index, so that was<br>
> > > > > >very handy to find the passages that I
needed for a particular topic.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > >As soon as finish this post, I will go
downstairs to my reading<br>
> > > > > >couch and re-read the fabulous anthologies
that take me right to the<br>
> > > > > >passages that I want to review, and perhaps
I'll find some new good<br>
> > > > > >ones. The Collected Works are now on
line, but they are even more<br>
> > > > > >clumsy to use than the actual books
themselves. For crucial<br>
> > > > > >passages I will double check the original
references again on line.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > >I believe this is what Andreas did, and if
I'm right, then I'm just<br>
> > > > > >as guilty of plagiarism as he is. I
wouldn't be invited to San<br>
> > > > > >Diego if that is what my colleagues think I
did.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > >Nick Gier<br>
> > > > > ><br>
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