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Sorry Nick, <br><br>
Your little trick to bring my offlist reply to you back on to the viz was
anticipated - and reveals a great deal about your character. I know, it
was an oversight, right?<br><br>
If you can't find the time to review the material that has already been
posted, I am not going to spoon feed it to you.<br><br>
All the issues are fully presented; all materials linked to my position
provided.<br><br>
All comments are available.<br><br>
Thanks, but I have provided full back up of my position.<br><br>
Oh - no more offlist correspondence with you.<br><br>
You apparently don't really understand plagiarism - here is how it is
defined in the Law School Honor Code:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<font face="Times New Roman, Times" size=3>Plagiarism. No student shall
claim as his or her own original work the research, ideas or<br>
writing of another, or copy in whole or in part or in effect from the
work of another, without<br>
clearly identifying it as the work of another. Paraphrasing without
acknowledgement of<br>
authorship is a form of plagiarism. Paraphrasing is the close restatement
of another’s idea or<br>
using approximately the language of the original. [Section IIB, page
64]</font></blockquote><br>
Thus, your use of secondary sources in your writings, which are
by-products of primary sources, would require citations. Do you
provide citations for your use of secondary sources?<br><br>
Mr. Shoue paraphased, but provided no citations whatsoever.<br><br>
I think we are done.<br><br>
Bye.<br><br>
At 12:02 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Jeff,<br><br>
I'm bringing this back on the Vision because of the seriousness of the
charges you made against Andreas.<br><br>
You have ducked the question I posed to you: what is the difference
between what I did in my Gandhi research and what Andreas did? I
don't care to go through the details of what you debated. That's
simply not necessary. I just want you to do tell me, Andreas, and others
on this list in concise terms what the difference is.<br>
</blockquote><br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Let me clarify one important
thing. You somehow have the notion that reviewers of my Gandhi work
checked it for plagiarism. No such thing ever happened. As I stated
in my first post, Gandhi scholars quote the primary sources through
secondary sources all the time. <br><br>
This is a serious charge that you have leveled. You have to back it
up or apologize big time.<br><br>
Nick<br><br>
<br>
---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh@moscow.com> wrote: <br>
> I am going offlist again.<br>
> <br>
> Schou is the only one who can know what he did and what his intent
<br>
> was. I can say that if he had submitted his original post to
me as <br>
> written (in an academic setting) I would have moved forward with
<br>
> charges of plagiarism.<br>
> <br>
> Since you haven't had time to go through the full dialogue, we <br>
> probably won't get anywhere by focusing on details.<br>
> <br>
> As I have pointed out numerous times, this is a problem he created,
<br>
> not me. Read the details, get back to me and we can chat
offlist. <br>
> Pay particular attention to the material prepared by Alperin-Sheriff
<br>
> and the Terms of Use of the McClatchy site (which he admits he <br>
> used). He doesn't seem to appreciate how reckless and careless
his <br>
> actions were and how significant the consequences can be (ie,
Biden's <br>
> use of Kinnock's speech).<br>
> <br>
> All I have done is point out to him that he needs to approach the
Law <br>
> School Administration and deal with the matter with them. He is
<br>
> subject to the Law School Honor Code.<br>
> <br>
> What he chooses to do to resolve this is up to him. I plan no
action <br>
> on my part.<br>
> <br>
> As to a comparison with your work - no, I am not investing time in
<br>
> that comparison. I trust that the reviewers of your work
handle that.<br>
> <br>
> At 10:57 AM 9/17/2008, you wrote:<br>
> >Hi Jeff,<br>
> ><br>
> >This is response is no response. Would you care to
distinguish between what<br>
> >Andreas did and what I've done for 18 years in my Gandhi
research?<br>
> ><br>
> >Nick<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >---- Jeff Harkins <jeffh@moscow.com> wrote:<br>
> > > At 10:27 AM 9/17/2008, you wrote:<br>
> > > >Greetings:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >"I've not followed the exchange between Andreas
and Jeff in complete<br>
> > > >detail ..."<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > That more or less covers my response.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > >I'm preparing for a keynote address that I will give
on Gandhi's<br>
> > > >birthday on Oct. 2 at San Diego State
University. When I first<br>
> > > >started doing my Gandhi research in the early 1990s,
it was very<br>
> > > >difficult to get the primary sources, even through
interlibrary<br>
> > > >loan. Until I went on sabbatical to India, I
relied on secondary<br>
> > > >sources, especially very fine anthologies of passages
arranged by<br>
> > > >subject and fully documented.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >When I finally got to India, I was able to sit down
and check out<br>
> > > >references and read for context in Gandhi's Collected
Works (100<br>
> > > >volumes!) and the journals Young India and
Harijan. Very few Gandhi<br>
> > > >scholars read every page of these huge volumes. That
is why we have<br>
> > > >bibliographers.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >Gandhi kept meticulous records of everything that
happened in his<br>
> > > >ashrams, and most of that does not make for very
edifying<br>
> > > >reading. The Collected Works have a very good
index, so that was<br>
> > > >very handy to find the passages that I needed for a
particular topic.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >As soon as finish this post, I will go downstairs to
my reading<br>
> > > >couch and re-read the fabulous anthologies that take
me right to the<br>
> > > >passages that I want to review, and perhaps I'll find
some new good<br>
> > > >ones. The Collected Works are now on line, but
they are even more<br>
> > > >clumsy to use than the actual books themselves.
For crucial<br>
> > > >passages I will double check the original references
again on line.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >I believe this is what Andreas did, and if I'm right,
then I'm just<br>
> > > >as guilty of plagiarism as he is. I wouldn't be
invited to San<br>
> > > >Diego if that is what my colleagues think I did.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >Nick Gier<br>
> > > ><br>
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